The coverage of the Spurious Claims of Chemical Attack by Syrian Army

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Tuesday August 27, 2013 08:58

by skeptical

The rebel terrorists have most to gain

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forJohn Kerry’s “Colin Powell moment”

Today the mainstream media are claiming that there has been a chemical attack by the Syrian government near Damascus even whilst an UN inspection team arrives. The reports have been conflicting with the initial reports claiming 280 victims and then later up-ing it to over 1,300 killed.

However, the claims are predominantly coming from the so called Free Syrian Army who are backed and funded by some of the despotic Gulf States, as well as Saudi Arabia and by the Western powers principally France, USA and UK. This same group is made up mercenaries of all kinds including members of Al Qaeda who want to turn the country backwards and bring in Sharia Law and just back in May 2013 the UN accused the Syrian rebels of using chemical weapons.

What is most telling though is that it makes absolutely no sense for the Syrian government to do this. In recent months they have retaken areas held by rebels and seem to have repelled several attack campaigns in the past two year. And France in particular as well as the other powers have been consistently in the last year being trying to throw the mud of chemical weapons and then chemical weapon attacks in a clear effort to force public opinion to back no-fly zones and from there total demolition of the country and invasion followed later by a pliant regime. The end game is to clear the way for an attack on Iran which the crazies have been pushing hard for many years.

Update:: Mint Press News: EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Indymedia Links:
Saudi Rulers Pour Money Into Arming Militants In Region | Syria: One "humanitarian" intervention too far | Hacker unearths plot against Syria / Iran | Interview with Syrian Communist on conflict in Syria | Syrian TV reporter killed by rebel sniper near Qusair |
Other Links:
Syria: Chemical weapons used by rebels came from Turkey -Times of Israel -Apr 2013 | Putin claims proof Syrian rebels used chemical weapons -June 2013 -Refers to earlier chemical attack. | UN: Syrian Rebels Used Chemical Weapons - The nerve agent sarin was used by 'the rebels, not by the government authorities' -refers to earlier rebel chemical weapon attack |
John Kerry’s “Colin Powell moment” | Australian government backs US-led campaign against Syria | Lying About Syria | US Uses Past Crimes to Legalize Future Ones | Hypocrisy! - CIA helped Saddam gas Iran in ’88 | Syrian army finds chemicals in militants tunnels -Press TV | Syria: Another Western War Crime In The Making -

Going back to the May accusations against the rebels by the UN, their human rights investigator Carla del Ponte said at the time:

"According to the testimonies we have gathered, the rebels have used chemical weapons, making use of sarin gas ...We still have to deepen our investigation, verify and confirm (the findings) through new witness testimony, but according to what we have established so far, it is at the moment opponents of the regime who are using sarin gas.."

Now step forward to today. It is clear the rebels themselves have sarin gas. The questions to ask now are:

1) Was there really an attack.
2) Who are the photographs of and are they from some other time period.
3) How many victims are there?
4) Did the chemical attack really take place where they said it did?
5) And who used the chemical weapons? -The Syria army or the so-called rebels who the word 'rebel' is not fitting because they have been shown to be a bunch of terrorists intent on killing and maiming hundreds of people which they have done many times?
6) And most importantly -who gains most from this ?

Meanwhile on RT.com http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-un-775/ carried the story and to their credit try to be balanced. However their RT Arabic correspondent managed to contact some locals who say they haven't witnessed any “poisonous attack” in the area. However, they point out that gunfire can be heard.

The Syrian government itself and naturally not surprisingly says: no truth whatsoever to the reports and their Dr. Abdulqader Azouz told RT’s Arabic channel Rossiya al-Yaum the Syrian army was “winning the battle against the rebels” and there was no need for chemical weapons.

“America has always put the pretext of using chemical weapons on the top of its agenda as a means of intervention in Syria,” Azouz told Rossiya al-Yaum. He went on to stress that the Syrian government has pledged “its commitment to full cooperation with the investigation committee and other specialized committees.”

Even more interesting is this as reported by RT.

The UN expert and the head of the current mission to Damascus, Swedish scientist Ake Sellstrom, told news agency TT that while he had only seen TV footage, the high number of casualties reported sounded suspicious.

But what is clear is that the use of chemical weapons is deplorable by whoever uses them but what is happening here in this high stakes geo-strategic game of politics is that the players are not interested in peoples lives and will gladly use and manipulate the natural outrage of the public to things like this to further their murderous war campaign agenda.

The RT article goes on to say that back in July, Russia submitted to the UN its analysis of samples taken west of Aleppo. Russia’s findings indicated that it was rebels behind the Khan al-Assal incident, in which more than 30 people died.

The US contradicted the Russian findings, stressing they had their own data which proved that the government forces were behind the attack. However, Paulo Pinheiro, chairman of the UN commission’s inquiry into rights violations in Syria, said the evidence provided by the US did not meet required standards.

The RT article can be found at:
http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-un-775/

Syria: Another Western War Crime In The Making
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

The war criminals in Washington and other Western capitals are determined to maintain their lie that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Having failed in efforts to intimidate the UN chemical inspectors in Syria, Washington has demanded that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon withdraw the chemical weapons inspectors before they can assess the evidence and make their report....

The US and UK governments have revealed none of the “conclusive evidence” they claim to have that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Listening to their voices, observing their body language, and looking into their eyes, it is completely obvious that John Kerry and his British and German puppets are lying through their teeth. This is a far more shameful situation than the massive lies that former Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell claims that he was deceived by the White House and did not know that he was lying. Kerry and the British, French, and German puppets know full well that they are lying.

The face that the West presents to the world is the brazen face of a liar.

....Indeed, one reason for the rush to war is to prevent the UN inspection that Washington knows would disprove its claim and possibly implicate Washington in the false flag attack by the “rebels,” who assembled a large number of children into one area to be chemically murdered with the blame pinned by Washington on the Syrian government.

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-another-western-war-crime-in-the-making/5347038

But there is more compelling evidence that the rebels already used the sarin nerve gas earlier in this year and if they used it then, then that makes a very strong case about they being the perpetrators today.

Reuters reported in their article, “U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator,” that: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-unbre94409z-20130505,0,2453519.story

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

And this is expanded on in the article: https://landdestroyer.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/in-wake-of-us-israeli-attack-on-syria-un-reveals-terrorists-not-government-used-sarin-gas/

Israeli also used white phosphorous in 2009 during “Operation Cast Lead”
Israeli used white phosphorous in 2009 during “Operation Cast Lead” (and perhaps subsequently). Israel ratified Protocol III of Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (“Protocol III”) – which outlaws the use of incendiary devices in war – in 2007. So this was a war crime. Moreover, the 1925 Geneva Protocol (which is different from Protocol III) prohibits “the use in war of asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases”. The use of White phosphorus (“WP”) may also be a war crime under other international treaties and domestic U.S. laws. For example, the Battle Book, published by the U.S. Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, contains the following sentence: “It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets.”

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-britain-and-israel-have-used-chemical-weapons-within-the-last-10-years/5347073

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Chemical attack: 'rough work' of Syrian opposition

by T

Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:31

When these things happen it takes time to figure out what is going on and collect the evidence. Today Voice of Russia reports that:

' Russia has declared that according to its information, chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus had been used (on August 21) by opposition militants, and not the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. The accusations in the address of the government troops are based on unverified information. And the aggressive campaign in regional and Western media only confirms that this refers to a "prearranged provocation". This came as a special statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry. It is not for the first time that such provocations occur.

Battles in the Eastern suburbs of Damascus really go on. But, as it was found by Russian diplomats, the account of events is distorted beyond recognition.

"Investigation of the reliability of the regional television stations’ reports” has showed the following, - the MFA statement says: “Early in the morning of August 21, a homemade missile with a so far unknown chemical poison gas was shot in the direction of this district from the positions of the militants. It was similar to the missile used by terrorists on March 19, this year, in Khan al-Asal (near the city of Aleppo)."

The report also goes on to point out that:

On the whole, some Western experts doubt that it is sarin that is at issue. And, moreover, they call to treat with caution the footage posted on the Internet and allegedly made immediately after the attack.

"They show that people rendering first aid to the victims are not wearing protective clothing," Jean Pascal Zanders, an expert on chemical and biological weapons at the European Union Institute for Security Studies wrote in his blog. "It cannot be so, as far as sarin is concerned. There would be many postprimary poisonings without protective clothing." - Zanders is sure.

Full report at link below.

Yesterday the Irish Independent and Evening Herald (both under the same ownership) carried front page headlines of the attack and the opening headlines and paragraphs seemed to leave no doubt. Only towards the end of the article was there any effort to rebalance and cast doubt. It is well known in the industry that most people read the headlines, with a progressively fewer amount of people reading through a full article to the end. So in propaganda pieces all the material you want people to believe appears near the top and then you can claim some level of balance by putting that material towards the end in the full knowledge most people never get that far.

RTE also carried the story but were a bit more circumspect as it is obvious their reporters didn't really believe it but it was something that had to do and carry at the behest of higher authority. It seems this country is happy to spread the propaganda of the Western powers backing the Syria rebels who in fact are terrorists.

Growing calls for attack on Syria follow chemical weapons claims

by Turing

Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:54

The report of a chemical weapons attack in the eastern suburbs of Damascus has been seized upon by the Western powers and their regional allies as the pretext to push for direct military intervention.

Government denunciations combined with massive media coverage indicting the government of President Bashar al-Assad—before there has been any independent confirmation of the nature of the attack or a shred of evidence linking it to the regime—all point to a filthy, stage-managed provocation.

France, Syria’s former colonial oppressor, has taken the lead in this campaign, much as it did in the 2011 war for regime change in Libya.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius Thursday declared that in response to the incident in Syria, “we need a reaction by the international community.... a reaction of (military) force.” While ruling out the deployment of French troops on the ground in Syria, he insisted on “a reaction that can take a form, I don’t want to be more precise, of force.”

Similarly, Turkey’s Islamist government, which has provided Al-Qaeda-affiliated gangs operating inside Syria with bases, arms and logistical support, pushed for a military response. Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu declared Thursday that “all red lines” had been crossed in Syria, employing the phrase used by US President Barack Obama when he threatened US military action if the Syrian government used chemical weapons.
And Israel, which has warmed its hands over the civil war in Syria while continuing to occupy Syria’s Golan Heights, chided the Western powers for not carrying out direct military strikes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu argued that aggression against Syria was necessary as a prelude to confronting Iran. “Syria has become Iran’s testing ground, and Iran is closely watching whether and how the world responds,” he said in a statement. ...

I think Cameron and Obama are behind it

by Felix Quigley - www.4international.me

Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:23

http://4international.me/2013/08/24/we-think-that-us-br...acks/

As the writer above says it takes time to get the facts that are needed. But that does not really matter to the Media especially the BBC. They are the advance guard for NATO. There has to be a big struggle for leadership inside the Jewish movement and Jews must seek out the truth about these nerve gas attacks. This can only be done in a struggle against opportunist Jewish leaders. Netanyahu and the present Jewish leaders do not represent the true interests of the Jews.

You get to decide?

by Mike Novack

Sat Aug 24, 2013 14:03

"There has to be a big struggle for leadership inside the Jewish movement and Jews must seek out the truth about these nerve gas attacks. This can only be done in a struggle against opportunist Jewish leaders. Netanyahu and the present Jewish leaders do not represent the true interests of the Jews."

Felix, Felix, Felix ------ by what right do you get to claim to know what is "in the best interests of the Jews"?

PLEASE -- don't misunderstand what I am saying here. You CAN tell us what you think the best interests of the Jews might be and WHY you think you know better than they do what their best interests are. But realize that whatever reasons you give must be interpreted by THEIR history and not your ideology. Thus none of the following would do.

a) If Jews were "better behaved" we wouldn't hate them so much.

b) If Jews immersed themselves in class struggle instead of their parochial tribal interests the "Jewish Problem" would go away when the revolution was won or even earlier during the struggle.

c) If Jews were better integrated into the societies in which they live the "Jewish Problem" would go away.

If you DON'T know why I am ruling out your arguments (if any) based on "a", "b", or "c" them might I suggest you study Jewish history say from the revolutions of '48 through to at least the mid 20th Century. And PLEASE, don't misunderstand what I am saying here. Take "b" for an example. You MIGHT want to give that as your answer and argue that "my ideology is the truth" but THAT isn't what is in dispute. You are looking instead for reasons that might inspire that struggle for leadership among the Jews in which case you need reasons that would make sense according to THEIR experience ("b" WAS tried and it failed).

hold fast the opposites !

by Joe Mc

Sat Aug 24, 2013 14:04

I don’t know whether or not Turing is aware of the fact that the IAWM still features fawning videos dedicated to the CIA mercenary Mahdi al Harati on its website. Is it any wonder ? ISO linked groups that run steering committees that run anti-war groups in the West have over the past two years consistently fed us pro-Western propaganda dressed up with left verbiage about a revolution that is supposed to be taking place in Syria . The once anti-imperialist ,anti-war left is nowadays saying precisely the same things about the “dictatorial Syrian regime” that the right- wing, pro-imperialist warmongers are saying about it .The Syrian regime is so nasty for them that the ISO can still this week refer to the “symbolic” acts of “minor cannibalism” committed by a "legitimate opponent" who had been “driven crazy” by the numerous war crimes that Assad committed against the Syrian people . When openly pro-interventionists and so-called non-interventionists agree that Assad is the very sort of monster who relishes murdering his own people you don't need much evidence to point the finger of blame at the regime for committing the latest atrocity.

When the Irish Anti War Movement website uncritically reproduces Luke Harding’s propaganda articles about a brave but hopelessly out-gunned band of revolutionaries fighting for freedom against a despicably cruel and well-armed Assad regime and when the anti-war group supports the arming of Syrian “rebels “ by the CIA surely it’s time for genuine opponents of war to face up to the fact that the IAWM is now on the side of the warmongers . Since this year ISO linked groups have been referring to Hezbollah "invaders" working alongside a sectarian murderous dictatorial Alawite Syrian regime . The ISO condemns what they call the “neo-pacifist left” who point to the source of the “rebels” weaponry by saying that the revolutionaries should be allowed get arms "from wherever they can get them from " .When the SWP says that the “rebels” shouldn’t be at all condemned for receiving money ,arms, training and logistic support from the CIA , that puts them firmly in the enemy camp –in the propaganda tent.

Anarchist groups like the WSM hold practically identical positions to the SWP ones on Syria -likewise groups such as the Socialist Party . The SWP's influence on the steering committee of the IAWM makes it important to point out here the back fielder role the group is playing for imperialist intrigue . (Of course anybody who doesn’t follow the twists and turns of the SWP/ISO as it adapts its policies to imperialism’s war agenda are accused in ISO publications of being “formal thinkers” who are ignorant of Leninist dialectics . The supporters of Stalin had a similar respect for Leninist dialectics in the thirties –dialectics as a rhetorical device that allowed them to say one thing one minute and the total opposite the next.)

press TV report :chemical find in "rebel" tunnels

by Jow Mc

Sat Aug 24, 2013 15:24

A link here to a breaking news report on Iran's Press TV , which claims that Syrian soldiers have uncovered chemicals in tunnels that were being used by "rebels".
"The discovery came after the government forces surrounded a sector of militant-held district of Jobar on Saturday.

""Army heroes are entering the tunnels of the terrorists and saw chemical agents," Syria television said, adding, "In some cases, soldiers are suffocating while entering Jobar.”"

..http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/24/320277/chemical...nels/

When most sane people first heard that chemicals had been used they assumed that the rebels had used them out of desperation knowing that the terrorist forces had already been largely defeated by the Syrian army. I'm sure that absolutely nobody of high rank in the US army would believe the Syrian government used chemical weapons -even though they might say they believed such nonsense in public. The only people likely to say and actually believe that the Assad regime and not the rebels used the weapons would be the likes of the ISO/SWP. I

RT on chemical find

Sat Aug 24, 2013 18:51

A youtube video of some of the equipment and chemicals the Syrian army says it found today in the rebel tunnel and an RT report here :

“Syrian government forces says they found materials including chemical weapons protection masks made in the US, and toxic chemical agent containers made in Saudi Arabia, when it raided a tunnel in the opposition stronghold of Jobar near Damascus on Saturday.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0qADAfVp-8&sns=tw

Joe

Sun Aug 25, 2013 00:28

The SWP have hosted statements by the Egyptian Revolutionary Socialists. I carry no torch for the SWP but I am interested in what Egyptian Socialists have to say. The ERS oppose both the Military Junta and the MB, they are against any return of Morsi. I support them on that.

Just as I believe that anyone who supports the FSA or the Islamist Militias in Syria is wrong.

Despite alliance with Iran Assad opposes the Muslim Brotherhood

Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:05

Joem

You write above which I think is wrong

"When most sane people first heard that chemicals had been used they assumed that the rebels had used them out of desperation knowing that the terrorist forces had already been largely defeated by the Syrian army. I'm sure that absolutely nobody of high rank in the US army would believe the Syrian government used chemical weapons -even though they might say they believed such nonsense in public. The only people likely to say and actually believe that the Assad regime and not the rebels used the weapons would be the likes of the ISO/SWP."

The first problem is your quoting of PressTV which is the mouthpiece of the Iranian Mullah Clerical Fascist Dictators, ask any Gay in Iran, or Young libertarian womanl who falls under their gaze.

Why quote THEM ...that mystifies me how a left person would do so.

What Srebrenica and Racak showed is that the truth today does not matter. What matters is the power of the Media reflecting the power of the capitalist state as capitalism moves to NATO world control.

That is what Jews in Israel must be afraid of.

Obama has showed that this NATO world control will work along with Islam and Sharia, both made for each other, I was going to say there "made in heaven" but actually both NATO and Islam are "made in hell"

You refer to it as "nonsense" but this has all the signs of a carefully prepared "Jenin", or of "Racak" or of "El Dura" or of "Qana"

Srebrenica is the biggest example of the power of the Media today. This has all absolutely nothing to do with truth. NATO owns the Media. The Media especially the BBC hide the truth.

In the past 2 weeks the BBC had endless reports on the Army putting down Morsi, all reports by the BBC echoing Obama and McCain sympathetic to Morsi, BUT NOT ONE REPORT on the Muslim Brothers burning of up to a hundred Coptic Chuches and endless murders of Copts.

You see Joe the truth does not matter, what matters is the power of the Media.

This SWP continue to push this CIA agent. Why do they do that and the answer is BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO

They have money, the Irish Media provides their cover, and the left is a shambles.

You yourself called me to be banned because I supported the EDL, whose members were and are being arrested by Cameron's goons in the police with the British Army on standby, whatever the fools in the EDL think...

I defended the EDL because they told the truth about the Muslim Brothers, I am NOT the EDL. They are in fact total amateurs in politics.

But they were under attack from Cameron and the British Establishment and that was enough for me

Any individual, group or party that attacks the Muslim Brotherhood I will support and defend critically.

We need a strong Trotskyist Party. Your friends in the wsws completely ignored the burning of the Coptic Churches making them no better than the BBC. Whatever the wsws is they are not Trotskyist. In words yes. In real action no.

Mike Novack Stupid Question

Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:15

Mike writes

Felix, Felix, Felix ------ by what right do you get to claim to know what is "in the best interests of the Jews"?

That is a diversion from this thread. What is in the best interests of Jews of Israel is certainly not cooperating with the forces of NATO/UN as they are all doing over this chemical attack claim.

It would be far better if Jews of Israel questioned this claim and based their analysis of this on the statement made by Russia in March.

EXTRACT FROM 4INTERNATIONAL

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE DO NOT BELIEVE ABOUT ANYTHING

NUMBER ONE WILLIAM HAGUE

NUMBER TWO ANYBODY TO DO WITH US INTELLIGENCE AKA THE CIA

NUMBER THREE ANYBODY CONNECTED WITH ISLAM AND JIHAD

BUT WHY THE ISSUE IS SO DIFFICULT TO ASSESS…IT IS BECAUSE ASSAD IS TOED UP WITH THE VERY WORST FASCISTS AND ANTISEMITES ON THE PLANET…HIZBULLAH, IRAN AND ALL BRANCHES OF THE PLO INCLUDING HAMAS AND FATAH

First of all the Jewish situation. www.4international.me stands fully behind the Jews and opposed to Antisemitism. We defend at all points against antisemitism the Jewish state of Israel. We are Trotskyist. Trotsky defended the Jews against the Nazis.

But the Jewish leaders of Israel have showed time and time again that they are in the pocket of US, Europe and NATO. That is a fact. Most Jews know this and often talk about this re their leaders.

So we on 4international stand on our own ground and go our own way.

We do not know yet what happened re these gas attacks nor do we know how many were injured or killed. The Media are simply liars.

But we have to find out and we will break this article up into parts, the first today.

This deals with a Sarin Gas attack that took place in Syria in March of this year, a few months ago.

The Ambassador from Russia wrote about this and what the Russians did. They are more reliable truth wise tan the US or Britain. The Ambassador´s name is Churkin:

“The results of the analysis clearly indicate that the ordnance used in Khan al-Assal was not industrially manufactured and was filled with sarin… The projectile involved is not a standard one for chemical use. Hexogen, utilized as an opening charge, is not utilized in standard ammunitions. Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal,” Churkin said.
END EXTRACT

That Mike is scientific analysis. This happened just in March.

The Jewish leaders, bloggers etc can either do one of two things

Ignore the above BY CHURKIN, NO TTHEIR FRIEND BUT TRUTH TRUMPS THAT or give it wide coverage

Which Mike? They cannot do both. Answer me Mike which is better for the Jews?

NOT addressing my point

Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:49

Felix,

I know this be hard for you to see, but you haven't addressed, not in the very least, why the Jews should think what you want them to do would be in their best interest. You apparently imagine that because by your analysis doing thus and so would be in their best interest is a reason for THEM to think they should to do thus and so. WHENEVER you discuss actions that you think others should take you have to do so in terms of THEIR possible motivations, not your own. Truth as YOU know it to be is not a part of that equation. You can only expect other people to act according to the truths that THEY believe to be the correct interpretations of truth.

So I'll ask again, WHY (what are the reasons) you expect the Jews to accept your analysis as the truth? Jumping up and down shouting "but it IS the truth" is not useful. How well do you know the history both of the left revolutionary movements (mid 19th to mid 20th Centuries) and the interactions with the Jewish movements of the same time period?

And yes of course Lev Bronstein (Trotsky) opposed antisemitism. That's part of the history of interaction of which I am speaking.

UN inspectors

Sun Aug 25, 2013 17:02

Up until yesterday, the US and its allied governments were angrily demanding that UN inspectors be given access to the site where 1,300 civilians had been murdered in a chemical attack.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said Saturday for instance that the inspectors should be granted immediate access to the site "if the Syrian regime has nothing to hide.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the same thing .
"Rapid access is critical, since any evidence would deteriorate over a matter of days," Hague said.

After the video of the chemical find yesterday and the Syrian government granted access to the UN team, a senior United States official is today quoted saying that there is “little doubt the Syrian government used chemical weapons against civilians last week, and any decision to open the site to UN inspectors was "too late to be credible" “

Turing

Sun Aug 25, 2013 17:17

I'll try to say something about the SWP and Egypt on another thread. But their positions change so quickly..As I said in a previous comment, the SWP uses dialectical sounding mumbo-jumbo to justify adopting a glaringly opposite position whenever their party line becomes impossible to sustain and a complete volte-face is needed . Even in the one sentence you can read diametrically opposed positions stated . This for instance from the SWP’s sister organization in Syria explaining the role of Islamist groups in "the revolution":

"These groups still represent a minority in the broader revolutionary movement, but it must be said that they have become a part of the counterrevolution, and a real threat to the popular revolution and an extension of the oppressive old regime."

The cannibals are part of the broader revolutionary movement and part of the counterrevolution at one and the same time , don’t you know ? It may sounds very dialectical , but you should really consider the possibility that there is something more vulgar going on..

My position is that I oppose NATO down the line

Mon Aug 26, 2013 09:45

Mike I speak only for myself

Mike writes this confusing paragraph:

"I know this be hard for you to see, but you haven't addressed, not in the very least, why the Jews should think what you want them to do would be in their best interest. You apparently imagine that because by your analysis doing thus and so would be in their best interest is a reason for THEM to think they should to do thus and so. WHENEVER you discuss actions that you think others should take you have to do so in terms of THEIR possible motivations, not your own. Truth as YOU know it to be is not a part of that equation. You can only expect other people to act according to the truths that THEY believe to be the correct interpretations of truth."

Mike I have indeed answered you but you are not listening to me.

I do not speak for any Jews or any Israelis. I do not try to enter anybody’s mind.

I am a Trotskyist person. My views are those of Trotskyism. I state my views where I am able. People whoever they are, and that includes Jewish people, can agree or disagree. I will discuss further if needed.

In the above I said that Jews, and all free peoples, should oppose NATO and the Wesley Clarks of this world, right down the line. THEY decide.

It is an old question in the movement. I do not start with what any person is thinking about their predicament. I start with an understanding of the global situation.

So here I am talking about Syria and the plans to attack Syria, essentially I think by NATO, and I see it as being a replay of the long bombing war on Yugoslavia, and on the Serbs, gypsies and some Jews in Kosovo by NATO, which carried out ethnic cleansing on behalf of Islam.

I oppose these plans to attack Syria. I see it as the work of Obama and these governments in Europe to put the Muslim Brotherhood into power in Syria. I take the side of secularism and see the defence of the Alawites and Syrian Christians as a very big deal.

Egypt was something similar. I support Sisi against the Muslim Brotherhood because it was the only defence of the Coptic Christians who were being butchered by the Muslim Brotherhood. My support is definite but remains critical.

There are a thousand different opinions among Jews. Each can agree with me or disagree.

I want free discussion and the right of each person to make up their own minds.

So I say to Jews…If NATO is attacking Assad who is being supported by the Alawites, the Syrian Christians because of his secularism…why would you Jews not defend Assad critically in those conditions?

Israel has had serious differences with Assad to put it mildly. But if Assad loses and the Muslim Brotherhood replaces Assad with a Mullah type theocracy how would that be better for Israel! PLUS...I ASK...

How could the Jews of Israel ever support in any way NATO attacks on Syria, which seem imminent?

It is a question. Jews can either attack me, assist me, agree with me, disagree with me, or whatever. I am for free discussion.

Of course I may be wrong in all of the above, on Assad and on Morsi. So I will listen always.

The AP says "extremists" but they are believers

Mon Aug 26, 2013 09:53

"When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4

"Extremists Slit Throats of 44 in Northeast Nigeria," from the Associated Press, August 24:

An official says suspected Islamist extremists killed at least 44 villagers in continuing attacks in an Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria.
The official of the National Emergency Management Agency says the attackers hit Dumba village in Borno state before dawn Tuesday and slit their victims' throats — a new strategy since gunfire attracts security forces.

He said the attackers gouged out the eyes of some victims who survived. The official spoke Saturday on condition of anonymity because he is not allowed to give information to reporters.

Dumba is near the fishing village of Baga where security forces in March gunned down 187 civilians in retaliation for an attack by extremists.

It is difficult to get information from the area under a state of emergency, with cellphone and Internet service cut.

Borno is one of three northeastern states under a state of emergency declared May 14 to crack down on the Boko Haram terrorist network.

Since 2010, more than 1,700 people have been killed in attacks by Islamic insurgents, according to an Associated Press count.

Why would jews or any progressives support such barbarism as is NATO plans to attack Syria

Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:07

I WILL NOT ADVERTISE SUCH VIDEOS

Warning: video is graphic

To shouts of "Allahu akbar." "Shock Video Allegedly Shows Al Qaeda-Linked Terrorists Stopping Truck Drivers on Side of Road Then Executing Them for Not Being Sunni Muslims," by Sharona Schwartz from The Blaze, August 25 (thanks to James):

New video posted on YouTube purports to show the graphic murder – execution style – of three Syrian truck drivers who did nothing more than belong to a minority faith the local Al Qaeda affiliate does not like.

In the video, a small band of Islamist radicals with the Al Qaeda-linked ISIS (Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) group is seen waving the tractor trailers off the side of an Iraqi road and then proceeds to interrogate the unsuspecting drivers about their prayer habits, trying to discover if they are Sunnis or members of the Alawite minority in Syria.

When they “fail” the Sunni jihadis’ pop roadside quiz, the truck drivers are seated in a line in the median of the road and shot in the back of their heads firing squad style by the self-appointed law enforcers, jury, judge and executioner.

The three truck drivers are shot in the back repeatedly, as chants of Allahu Akbar (Allah is the greatest) are audible in the background.

More than a dozen shots are fired into the men’s bodies, even after it appears they are already dead.

Joshua Landis, who is President of the Syria Studies Association in the U.S. and is Director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma tweeted, “Iraqi #ISIS stop three #Alawite truck drivers; ask them how many time they kneel for prayer. Wrong answ. Are executed.”...

Irish Anti War Movement : silent for the past week

Tue Aug 27, 2013 02:46

It should be noted that the IAWM has not issued a single statement in the past week . The US and its allies are threatening to launch missiles against Iraq on the basis of similar lies that were used to justify the Iraq invasion. Russia is warning of an extremely dangerous situation arising that could set the Middle East ablaze . Even the BBC website is asking are we on the brink of WW3 , but there's nothing at all on the IAWM website about the increasingly strident threats being made against Syria .

Things seem to be really heating up?

by W. Finnerty

Tue Aug 27, 2013 09:49

"UK gathers warplanes, military hardware in Cyprus base near Syria – report"

Two excerpts from the above-mentioned report:

“Warplanes and military transporters” have reportedly been moved to Britain’s Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus in the latest sign of the allied forces’ preparations for a military strike on Syria amid bellicose rhetoric against the Syrian government.

"Two commercial pilots who regularly fly from Larnaca, Cyprus, claim to have spotted C-130 transport planes from their own aircraft and small formations of possibly European fighter jets from their radar screens, according to the Guardian."

The full report can be viewed at:
http://rt.com/news/uk-us-military-strike-syria-027/
(Published time: August 27, 2013 00:27)

A VERY BIG QUESTION (on my mind) regarding all of this is as follows:

Why is it that the Obama Administration, and its NATO allies (and other national leaders such as Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd for example), are so keen on military action as the first, and apparently the ONLY option (in their eyes)?

Is there a VERY LARGE HIDDEN-AGENDA lurking somewhere I find myself wonderng?

Assuming, as a worst-case scenario, that the UN investigators EVENTUALLY reported that they had come to the definite conclusion that Syrian President Assad's Government really was responsible for the alleged recent chemical-weapon attacks, why not try to resolve the problem by taking senior members of President Assad's Administration, including President Assad himself, before the International Courts of Law?

In other words, why not try to resolve the problem by peaceful and lawful methods, as opposed to rushing into a "packed-full package of high-powered physical violence" that a military "solution" (so called) of the kind that will almost certainly create more problems than it soles, and which could conceivably even escalate into into a thermonuclear WW3?

Does the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights -- and all of the national and international legislation based on the UDHR principles that has been produced since 1948 -- still mean nothing at all to all those world leaders who appear so EXTREMELY keen to rush into yet more obscene orgies of physical violence?

Article 10 (for example) of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads as follows:

"Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him."

The excerpt just above has come from the following UN www location:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a10

The people of the world may yet pay VERY dearly for the way the following suggestion from the PREAMBLE of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been ignored for the past 67 seven years or so by their "elected representatives", and by their very closely associated legal professions:

"Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction."

Related Link:
" President Obama, Prime Minister Cameron, Syria, the threat of thermonuclear war, Human Rights Ireland, William Finnerty ..."
http://tinyurl.com/l7blftw

NATO brute force and power, backed by UN, is what is happening

Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:21

Mr Finnerty

You live in a different world from me. When NATO decided to destroy the Serbs and Yugoslavia it staged the Racak "massacre" and bombed and bombed.

Result Yugoslavia destroyed. NATO power total in the area. Milosevic murdered in NATO prison and so on.

Russia hugely weakened. Russia China and India more vulnerable

NATO power is what this is all about not a few shells of gas... You obviously do not understand how power in the hands of capitalism actually works. NATO CONTROLS THE UN...

Put in a slightly different way ...

Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:43

Reply to Felix Quigley - www.4international.me at Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:21 ...

NATO, and the political leaders of some other nations friendly with the NATO group of countries, such as Australia for example, possibly do -- to a very large extent -- control the UN at the present time?

That does not necessarily though mean that ALL of the people working for the United Nations are happy about that situation: assuming that is, that NATO really does pretty much have overall control of the UN at the present time (as I have also long suspected to be the case myself).

A prime reason, as I see things, for this "suspected/alleged" control by NATO of the UN is that the vast majority -- well over 90% I seem to remember reading somewhere some months ago -- of "the people" of the nations of the world which make up the UN have never even HEARD of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights: and for as long as that situation continues, it seems to me that "NATO" control of the UN can only INCREASE.

I don't blame "the people" of the world for being so ignorant about the UDHR principles (and the associated national and international legislation connected with them) at the present time, on account of the way the subject is STILL not being taught in schools (none that I know of at least).

Also, there is the hope (as I see things) that the relatively very recent arrival of "The Internet Age" -- for humanity as a whole -- will enable many of "the people", or the "general public" of the world in other words, who have been seriously short-changed during their years of formal education, in connection with knowledge of UDHR principles and the closely associated national and international laws connected with them, can now "educate themselves" via official UN www links such as:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a11 (for example),
and, which very clearly states in this particular example:

"Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence."

Thanks to the www system, and the often poorly-thanked engineers who created it (very few of them politicians, lawyers and/or banksters as far as I know), it does not take very long to learn about such extremely important social principles these days: particularly when it is the case that such short pieces of text are not at all not difficult for most people to very easily understand.

A final thought:

Who's to say that the present dangerously high levels of "public ignorance" relating to the 1948 United Nations Declaration of Human Rights is not ENTIRELY CONTRIVED -- or almost so -- by the fascist/totalitarian banksters who are very firmly in UNLAWFUL control of so many (possibly all?) of the main branches -- executive, legislative, and particularly the JUDICIAL branches -- of the governments of the NATO group of countries, in addition to those of MANY others nations who are not NATO members? Such as the Republic of Ireland Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) for example.

Like oil and water, the principles of fascist totalitarianism, and the legal rights of INDIVIDUALS as set out in the UN UDHR set of principles -- and all of the associated and by now HUGE body of national and international law supporting (in theory but not in practice for the most part at the present time) the legal rights of each and every INDIVIDUAL human being -- do not mix very well, do they?

From the very manipulative and controlling "bankster viewpoint", and their many government accomplices and supporters, which some (including myself) see as criminally psychopathic in a number of its more obnoxious practical manifestations (please see Article 12 of the UDHR on the subject of private correspondence for example), the general public is best kept in as much ignorance as possible regarding the very existence of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights set of principles, and the closely associated national and international laws which have been produced since 1948 to protect the rights of EACH and EVERY human being: regardless of age, sex, nationality, religion, lack of religion, lack of nationality, ethnic group, and so on (as stated in the actual Declaration itself).

Related Link:
"Banksters, fascism, totalitarianism, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Ireland, constitutionalism, William Finnerty ..."
http://tinyurl.com/kl7affg

US had no problem with chemical weapons during Iran-Iraq war...

Tue Aug 27, 2013 21:21

This was reported today by Voice of Russia

Declassified US military reports offer proof that the US knew that Iraq used mustard gas against Iran and the Kurds in the Iran-Iraq war (1980-88), and that the US even helped Saddam Hussein to plan them. Although the US authorities were well aware of the fact and even had convincing proof that Saddam Hussein had given an order to use chemical weapons against Iran and the Iraqi population, the US took no measures to stop him while the Iranian–Iraqi conflict was in progress. The Voice of Russia discussed this newly revealed information with Paolo Raffone – editor-in-chief of Strat-EU magazine on intelligence and geopolitics. He is also a founder of the CIPI foundation, a Brussels-based non-profit organization.

Interview of French activists -discussing massacres by rebels and claims evidence of chemical weapon attack was by rebels

Tue Aug 27, 2013 23:26

This interview is of a French activist. Ayssar Midani, who has been in Syria for quite sometime and talks about massacres early on carried out by the rebels and how the government has been trying to protect the population from the murderous attacks of these fanatics. She also claims of satellite evidence proving that the attack was not launched by government officials, and the likely consequences of a US-led strike on the country.

http://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/2013-08-27%20Ayssar%20Midani.mp3

Ayssar Midani on the Syrian Chemical Weapons Hoax

CIA helped Saddam Gas Iran in 1988

by fred

Wed Aug 28, 2013 07:04

T.

Here's a link on the Salon discussing US collusion in the gassing of Iranians in 1988. Such blatant hypocrisy!

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/26/cia_helped_saddam_gas_i...n_88/

There is a thread discussing this topic on p.ie. ( Full of the usual US policy shills of course ):
http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/215045-cia....html

The UN Charter

Wed Aug 28, 2013 09:19

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

AND FOR THESE ENDS
to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

The above excerpts have come from the following United Nations www location:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/preamble.shtml

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"The Charter of the United Nations is the foundational treaty of the international organization called the United Nations. It was signed at the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center in San Francisco, United States, on 26 June 1945 ..."

The excerpt just above is from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter

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Related Link
"Republican Constitutionalism VERSUS Totalitarian Fascism, Human Rights Ireland, United Nations ..."
http://tinyurl.com/o5th2gb

NATO power is the planned New World Order which is also Brutal Dictatorship

Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:11

My experience of the events in Yugoslavia in the 1990s is that the UN is a tool of NATO. The US is based on the recruitment of Nazis post 1945, see link of book Blowback below. All flowery resolutions are of no concern whatsoever when naked power takes over. This NATO, really the US with the EU Israel and other countries like Australia in tow, are showing its relationship with the UN every day. It uses the UN as a puppet. NATO asks for inspectors to go in to investigate shells if any, then Biden, Kerry and Hague say we know anyway without the UN Investigation. Mr Finnerty you need to concentrate what happens in the world, not about past resolutions. That time is past. We are in a new era, one of very deep crisis in the capitalist system. Your emphasis on resolution disarms people.

Consider the following...

THE CRISIS IN CAPITALISM AND WAR AGAINST SYRIA

In Spain there is an unemployment rate among youth who have left college of 70 per cent and it is the same in Greece and Portugal. Note that in these countries there is an elite which continues to live in some wealth. These are conditions sooner or later for a mass social upheaval but not revolution, just a dead end, because there is no revolutionary party to lead.

This reflects the world. The US is the leader of capitalism today. The US seeks to undermine all opposition to it on a world scale and to rule unfettered. Leaders like Gadhafi who oppose the US but note are not socialist in any way pose a problem and must be put down. Assad is the same difficulty for these Fascist World Leaders as is the US and also must be put down.

Why does Assad fight? This has nothing at all to do with Iran or Hizbullah. It is because Assad is an Alawite minority and must seek a secular answer in Syria. This is why the Christian Syrians to a man support Assad, an Alawite Muslim. Assad above all stands for secularism/

This is the type of leader that the US must destroy but why?

The reason the US turns against Assad is that the great friend and ally of US is the Muslim Brotherhood, which in turn is a Fascist Movement.

The Muslim Brotherhood was the closest ally of the Nazis as they carried out the Industrial Killing of the Jews in the Holocaust. The MB want a THEOCRATIC state with Sharia Law installed.

Why does that suit the US as it seeks a world government of total control. The reason is that the Muslim Brotherhood, and indeed Islam and its Koran, is above all an ideology and government of total control, control in the first instance of poor Muslims.

Europe has lost totally its independence. Ideologically leaders like Cameron and Hague are no longer English. They are the tools of US power. They want bread crumbs from the table.

A country like Spain has totally lost its independence. The 70% unemployment rate among youth can never be fixed under world capitalism.

In the 1930s Spain joined with Hitler to put down the workers. The Stalinists also murdered all the socialist leaders. Leaders like Andres Nin in Barcelona. The whole leadership around Trotsky was wiped out in the Camps by the Stalinists. Trotsky’s whole family were also lost. Many shot by the Stalinists.

What will Spain do in this period? It is already showing us and is joining the US.

Yugoslavia showed us all that the United Nations is part of this planned world Fascist Government. Yugoslavia also showed that the UN and NATO are one and the same thing.

Assad should never have allowed the UN Inspectors into his country. He was weak there. He was pressured to do this by Putin. The Russian Government also betrayed the Serbs and set them up to be conquered where the Serbs have lost their patriotic heart in Kosovo.

Funny that! This new NATO US power want the Jews also out of their heart and soul, which is Judea and Samaria.

This war on Assad is more than a war on Assad. It also leads in to NATO Fascist power, which involves a new Holocaust of the Jews, because please remember what I said, this new NATO Fascism will rule along with Islam, just as Hitler tried to do.

Visit the important books available from Amazon
1. Blowback by Christopher Simpson
2. Palestine by Mallman and Cuppers (deals with a plan to exterminate the Jews)

NATO today is Nazism. Obama and Hague are Nazis. So the Irish elites.

Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:29

See video. I am afraid you must view this video

http://tinyurl.com/ov572y2

These FSA Rebels murdering these children belong to the primary unit that is being funded by the World’s Most Dangerous Terrorist…

Sheikh Barack Hussein Obama, leader of the International Coalition to Fund Worldwide Terrorism.

Also on the website Sharia Unveiled

This is one of the worst. These two little kids.

The Nazi reads something out, the little kids are in front of him not understanding it seems like, then the Nazi walks off and their poor little bodies are riddled to cries of Allah is Great

We must have a movement in Ireland that will explain this to the ordinary Irish people, the poor people, not the elites

Tory MP Andrew Bridgen attack possibly " an accident" :

Thu Aug 29, 2013 18:59

Is this being reported anywhere else ?
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, who led opposition among Conservative backbench MPs to the demands for immediate war coming from Cameron and Hague said the situation on the ground in Syria may be evolving.

"Ms Bridgen told RTÉ News that information emerging from the UN team may have helped stall military efforts, saying she suspected the attack may have even been an accident.
The UN team will not be able to confirm this publicly, as they are merely reporting on whether an attack did take place or not."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0829/470916-syria/

Irish Mercenaries Training Syrian Death Squads

by Turas

Thu Aug 29, 2013 23:58

‘In its weekend supplement devoted to geopolitics French daily Le Monde published 8 March, 2013 a report entitled “Syrie : à Atmé, entre révolution et désenchantement” – “Syria: Atme, between revolution and disenchantment”- Christophe Ayad, a regular embedded journalist with NATO’s mercenary forces in Syria, reports on the mixture of despair and chaos that reigns in rebel controlled territory. One of the rebels tells the French reporter that “three former soldiers of the Irish military elite” provided training to Syrian rebels. It is claimed the Irish soldiers were acting as “independent mercenaries”. These “former soldiers of the Irish military elite” are acting in violation of international law.’

Further Reading:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/irish-mercenaries-training...46204

Reference: Syrie: à Atmé, entre révolution et désenchantement

http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2013/03/08/....html

"Thank you for telling the truth about Syria, Gearoid O'Colmain"

Fri Aug 30, 2013 09:35

Comment from "ChameleonThe13":

"I'm surprised, that Al Jazeera allowed O'Colmain to speak the truth! They are propaganda machine, not a news organization!"

Those interested in watching the sometimes VERY HEATED debate with Gearoid O'Colmain in question can view the 7 minute 20 second Al Jazeera video report at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTEcBd01J80
(Published on July 14, 2013)

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Republic of Ireland citizens concerned about our "Great Oil and Gas Giveaway" -- in connection with which our recent Government/s (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) appear to be COMPLETELY and UNLAWFULLY IGNORING Article 6.1 of our Constitution (Bunreacht na hEireann), the SUPREME LAW of the Republic of Ireland -- may wish to know that during the debate at the youtube location just above Gearoid O'Colmain raised the issue of "UN Charter 1962 Resolution 1803", which relates to "Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources". Among several other things it contains the following two statements:

#1: "The right of peoples and nations to permanent sovereignty over their natural wealth and resources must be exercised in the interest of their national development and of the well-being of the people of the State concerned."

#2: "The exploration, development and disposition of such resources, as well as the import of the foreign capital required for these purposes, should be in conformity with the rules and conditions which the peoples and nations freely consider to be necessary or desirable with regard to the authorization, restriction or prohibition of such activities."

Related Link:
"Our (Republic of Ireland) untapped oil and gas resources are estimated to be worth 5.4 trillion Euros, William Finnerty ..."
http://tinyurl.com/qbcoogn

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'Meanwhile, back ("at the ranch") in the Republic of Ireland, Minister for Health Dr James Reilly TD -- and all of his senior politician and lawyer Government colleagues -- continue to COMPLETELY IGNORE the ENTIRE CONTENTS of the two letters I sent to him through the registered and "recorded delivery" postal services in recent months: registered letters (further referred to below) which were very largely motivated by what I see "as the horror of the world [and] what I imagine might come": if all of the growing mountain of government corruption, crime, cover ups, and impunity, which is being indulged in at the present time by some of the world's leading politicians and lawyers (and consultant psychiatrists), and their bankster puppet-masters operating out of the City of London and Wall Street (and elsewhere in the world), is not soon "decommissioned" by peaceful and lawful means.'

Registered Letter #1 to Minister James Reilly (dated May 28th 2013):
"Request to re-schedule appointment ..."
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/RegisteredLetter/To/D...3.htm

Registered Letter #2 to Minister James Reilly (dated August 2nd 2013):
"August 2nd 2013 registered letter to Health Minister Dr James Reilly TD"
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/MarjorieDolanAndGeral...llyTD

Related E-mail to the United Nations (dated April 27th 2013):
"Evidence of ongoing 'Aiding and Abetting' of government crime by senior lawyers ..."
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/UnitedNations/27April...l.htm

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Related Link:
"IMPUNITY: the ultimate weapon of mass corruption and destruction, corruption in the legal professions, William Finnerty ..."
http://tinyurl.com/pqlu6p3

gas attack a combined Turkish/Qatar/rebel false flag operation

Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:05

According to the Zionist pro-Israeli writer based in the US Ken Timmerman in the Daily Worker it was a carefully planned plot that is now coming undone as US plans a strike then scrambles to provide the evidence. Very similar to Srebrenica and Racak in Yugoslavia that led to months of bombing. That led to extension of NATO power into the Balkans. One of the vehicles was www.debka.com and I personally on 4international disputed their story and pointed to www.debka.com having become an organ or conduit for US Intelligence.

This is the report by Timmerman who does not identify www.debka.com but I did over a week ago.

(This is combined with many articles in www.debka.com which are asserting that Assad used chemical weapons. Debka has become a website of liars which publishes articles which are based on information which it does not ever source
http://4international.me/2013/08/26/question-to-all-jew...yria/)

This report is of great moment for Irish people given the valuable research that Irish militia people were involved also with the Rebels, really the Muslim Brotherhood, which chimes in with the training of the Libyan Jihadist Mahdi Al-Harati on Irish soil and his financing by the CIA, who is likely involved as we speak in Syria with these Irish Militia Jihadist Scum and actual total traitors to the Irish Nation.

Fools will say "Oh but they wouldn't kill their own people". Well they did. The Islamist side around Izetbegovic drove shells into their own people in the famous Market Bombings in Bosnia. This was proved by no less than a UN Inquiry but that Inquiry was totally buried by the Media. The rocket shell trajectory was clearly from Islamist not Serb lines. The carnage (of poor Muslims) was horrible. The Media were on standby to report as the work of the evil Milosevic...replace Milosevic with Assad and you get the method. It was in fact of the Islamist Izetbegovic, it is not very smart and is being repeated time and again. The key factor is of course a compliant Media. People like the Dublin born Maggie O'Kane made their reputation and promotion by such reporting.

By Ken Timmerman, THE DAILY CALLER

The Obama administration has selectively used intelligence to justify military strikes on Syria, former military officers with access to the original intelligence reports say, in a manner that goes far beyond what critics charged the Bush administration of doing in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq war.

According to these officers, who served in top positions in the United States, Britain, France, Israel, and Jordan, a Syrian military communication intercepted by Israel’s famed Unit 8200 electronic intelligence outfit has been doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion reached by the original report.

The doctored report was leaked to a private Internet-based newsletter that boasts of close ties to the Israeli intelligence community, and led to news reports that the United States now had firm evidence showing that the Syrian government had ordered the chemical weapons attack on August 21 against a rebel-controlled suburb of Damascus.

The doctored report was picked up on Israel’s Channel 2 TV on Aug. 24, then by Focus magazine in Germany, the Times of Israel, and eventually by The Cable in Washington, DC.

According to the doctored report, the chemical attack was carried out by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of the Syrian Army, an elite unit commanded by Maher al-Assad, the president’s brother.

However, the original communication intercepted by Unit 8200 between a major in command of the rocket troops assigned to the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division, and the general staff, shows just the opposite.

The general staff officer asked the major if he was responsible for the chemical weapons attack. From the tone of the conversation, it was clear that “the Syrian general staff were out of their minds with panic that an unauthorized strike had been launched by the 155th Brigade in express defiance of their instructions,” the former officers say.

According to the transcript of the original Unit 8200 report, the major “hotly denied firing any of his missiles” and invited the general staff to come and verify that all his weapons were present.

The report contains a note at the end that the major was interrogated by Syrian intelligence for three days, then returned to command of his unit. “All of his weapons were accounted for,” the report stated.

The New York Times reported this morning that the White House is now backing off its claims to have a “smoking gun that directly links President Bashar al-Assad to the attack.”

The new argument is more deductive: since the Assad regime has chemical weapons and chemical weapons were used in Mouadhamiya, therefore the Syrian regime must have been the ones to use them.

But even that line of reasoning falls down when confronted with evidence known to the U.S. intelligence community, and presumably, to Congress.

An Egyptian intelligence report describes a meeting in Turkey between military intelligence officials from Turkey and Qatar and Syrian rebels. One of the participants states, “there will be a game changing event on August 21st” that will “bring the U.S. into a bombing campaign” against the Syrian regime.

The chemical weapons strike on Moudhamiya, an area under rebel control, took place on August 21. “Egyptian military intelligence insists it was a combined Turkish/Qatar/rebel false flag operation,” said a source familiar with the report.

The White House has gone to great lengths to shut down any independent investigation of the facts.

A UN inspection team was on the ground in Damascus on August 21 when the Moudhamiya attack occurred, where they were awaiting authorization from the Syrian government to visit sites of earlier alleged chemical weapons attacks.

Once word of Moudhamiya broke and the inspectors announced they planned to refocus their investigation on the fresh attack rather than the earlier ones, the White House was telling the UN to back off from gathering the facts.

According to Monday’s Wall Street Journal, a senior administration official called UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon before the inspectors ever left Damascus, “telling him the inspection mission was pointless and no longer safe.”

The inspectors attempted to visit Mouadhamiya on Monday to examine victims, but were turned back by sniper fire in the no man’s land between government and rebel positions on the outskirts of Damascus. After replacing their bullet-ridden armored car, they inspectors drove into Mouadhamiya for a hurried inspection of victims presented to them by rebel forces.
END QUOTE

http://dailycaller.com/buzz/george-zimmerman/

It is great credit to Ken Timmerman to produce this report because it implicates the Israel www.debka.com

US, UK should show Syria chemical weapons intel to Russia - ex-British Navy chief

Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:38

RT is reporting that a ex British Navy chief clearly knows that the Assad government didn't carry out the Chemical Attack and is likely aware it was carried out by the rebels as a provocation, although given his position he can't go that far ....

The UK and US need to produce the evidence they claim to have that proves the Syrian regime used chemical weapons, a former head of Britain's Royal Navy, Baron West, told RT.

As the Western powers call for a military strike, Baron Alan West of Spithead, a former First Sea Lord and senior security adviser to the British government, warned that the conflict could spiral out of control and play into the hands of Al-Qaeda-linked rebel groups operating in Syria.

"US ready to decide on military action in Syria 'on our own' - White House"

Fri Aug 30, 2013 18:44

"President Obama could well consider a military strike in Syria despite the British Parliament rejecting a motion authorizing the UK’s involvement in the conflict."

The above excerpts are both from:
http://rt.com/usa/white-house-military-syria-own-186/
(Published time: August 30, 2013 00:20, Edited time: August 30, 2013 08:36)

The report at the above RT www address contains an embedded video (3 minutes and 6 seconds) which relates that President Obama might launch a unilateral US strike on Syria after the UN team leave Syria tomorrow.

Allowing for the above, an e-mail was sent to President and First Lady Obama this afternoon titled "The EXCEPTIONALLY sickening hypocrisy and double-standards of some senior United States politicians".

A full copy of this afternoon's e-mail can be viewed at:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/PresidentBarackObama/...l.htm

Related Human Rights Ireland "Opportunity Knocks" List:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/NationalSecurityAgenc...PEACH

Related Link:
"Would President Obama risk the possibility of impeachment proceedings over Syria?"
http://tinyurl.com/p84mjm4

My own belief is that President Obama will do whatever his bankster puppet-masters instruct him to do, as he always does: and, in that sense, this afternoon's e-mail was really an attempt to try and dissuade the banksters (indirectly). They might find it extremely difficult to find a puppet as good as Obama (if Obama had to be replaced because of impeachment)?

Obama is through and through Muslim Brotherhood...as is SWP Ireland

Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:21

Obama is through and through Muslim Brotherhood...as is SWP Ireland

by Felix Quigley - www.4international.me

Obama will of course strike against Assad, trying to pulverise Syrian defence against the Muslim Brotherhood. Check the history and you will see the Muslim Brotherhood spawned Bin Laden ... hence 9-11

People are generally asleep. Their concerns of daily living overwhelm. But to understand Syria they must see Egypt.

Go back to June 2009. Mubarak was a benevolent dictator and he put down as best as he could Fascist Sharia Law.

That is the big issue in the world today, especially in Arab and Muslim countries. Sharia Law enslaves Muslims, especially Muslim women. It murders Gays. Hates young girls especially. Kills rebellious youth.

Obama went to Cairo, his first visit abroad in June 2009. He adopted the Muslim Brotherhood. Then supported by Obama the protests grew. Obama told the old ally that he had to step down. It was impossible for Mubarak to survive.

Basically a period had to go by when the youth and girls int he protest movement learned more fully about Morsi. This they did.

The result was the biggest crowds on the street in the history of mankind. Not an insignificant event.

Obama was defeated. McCain was defeated. Cameron was defeated.

DEFEATED BY THE GREAT SACRIFICE OF THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE MASSED ON THE STREETS.

An amazing thing has happened. Some parts of the Left have continued to support Morsi. I think in terms especially of a group called the www.wsws.org and here in Ireland of a group called www.swp.ie

I have already showed this in the www.wsws.org

Today the swp in Ireland

The following does 2 things

1. Looks at how the SWP on the side of the hated by Egyptians Morsi

2. Looks via a blog by the Christian Copt at the conversation betweem Sissi and Morsi, in which Morsi when pushed shows that his main backer is Obama through the half brother of Obama (note immediately the problem for us here...we have not heard of this guy...our journalists of the MSM have an agenda to keep the people in the dark)

1.SWP Ireland

START QUOTE FROM CURRENT SWP
On Wednesday 14 August the General Al-Sisi and the Egyptian military carried out a horrific massacre against the Muslim Brotherhood sit-ins protesting at the removal of President Morsi. The official death toll for this massacre stands at over 650 – the real figure is probably much higher, maybe 2000 or more. This was cold blooded murder and since then killing has continued with hundreds more being killed across Egypt and many thousands being arrested. There can be no justification or excuse for this. The Egyptian Military and their civilian stooge government claim the Muslim Brotherhood are ‘terrorists’. This is the standard accusation trotted out by rulers and tyrants everywhere against their opponents.

MAJOR DEFENCE BY SWP HERE Insofar as members of the Muslim Brotherhood have armed themselves it is clearly in response to the slaughter perpetrated by the military.

The generals are using hostility to the Muslim Brotherhood government’s neo-liberal policies and the Brotherhood's failure to tackle the economic plight of the people to attempt to destroy all the gains of the revolution and restore the military dictatorship that ruled Egypt for so long. President Obama and US imperialism are clearly complicit in this.

MAJOR SWP LIE HERE...THE DIRECT OPPOSITE IS THE TRUTH AS WE ALL KNOW ..Obama hates Sissi and has cut all aid

There have long been the closest ties between the Pentagon and the Egyptian generals. The US have always given huge military aid to Egypt and this continues to the tune of $1.3 billion a year – money which is used to by F-16 fighters, tanks and other military hardware from US firms. A key demand in this situation is for an end to this military aid. -
See more at: http://www.swp.ie/content/egypt-counter-revolution-stri....dpuf

NOTE IN THE ABOVE BY THE SWP THERE IS NOT A MENTION (SAME IN WWW.WSWS.ORG) OF THE LIQUIDATION OF CHRISTIAN COPTS BY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

2.

NOW WE TURN TO THE REAL RELATIONSHIP OF SISSI WITH MORSI AND HOW SISSI IS SO OPPOSED TO OBAMA, cbn AND Raymond Ibrahim

CBN News

Nearly two months after Egypt’s June 30 Revolution, it is interesting to note how the final dialogue between ousted President Morsi and General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi—full of threats and vows of determination on both sides—have all come to pass, including in the very details, specifically the U.S. government’s role. On July 5, the Arabic language, Egyptian newspaper El Watan published what it said were the final words between the two Egyptian men, as transcribed by an eyewitness, before the general put the president in prison. (Original and complete English translation here.)

The relevant portions of the dialogue between Sisi and Morsi follow, interspersed with my retrospective observations where appropriate:

Abridged Exchange Between Morsi and Sisi

Morsi: What’s the military’s position concerning what’s going on? Is it just going to stand by watching? Shouldn’t it protect the legitimacy?

Sisi: What legitimacy? The entire army is with the will of the people, and the overwhelming majority of people, according to documented reports, don’t want you.

Morsi: My supporters are many and they won’t be silent.

Morsi’s first threat is generic and subtle. Not yet pushed to the brink, Morsi simply alludes to his “supporters,” who “are many and they won’t be silent.” No word yet as to who these supporters are or what they will do.

Sisi: The army will not allow anyone to destroy the nation, no matter what happens. An early indicator of military resolve, one that, to this day, does not appear to have diminished.

Morsi: What if I don’t want to leave?

Sisi: The matter is settled and no longer up to you. Try to leave with your dignity and tell those whom you call supporters to go back to their homes in order to prevent bloodshed, instead of threatening the people through them.

Morsi: But this way it will be a military coup, and America won’t leave you alone. While technically a military coup, the military was reacting to a popular revolution: tens of millions of Egyptians—many more than in the original 2011 revolution against Hosni Mubarak—took to the streets for several days demanding new elections (as many Egyptians from the very start insisted that Morsi never even won the presidential election). And nearly two month later, months of intense pressure and threats, the U.S., in Morsi’s words, certainly shows no signs that it will “leave you [Egyptian military] alone.”

Sisi: The people concern us, not America. And since you’ve started to talk this way, I’ll talk to you candidly. We have evidence to condemn you and to condemn many governmental officials of compromising Egypt’s national security. The judiciary will have its say and you will all be judged before the whole people.

Once Morsi becomes more specific about who his supporters are—the United States, a foreign entity—Sisi also becomes candid, pointing out to him that the military has evidence to condemn Morsi and his Brotherhood cabinet. In recent weeks and days, talk of this evidence has become more widespread. According to many Egyptian political activists, the Brotherhood and the Obama administration made a deal, which has seen the exchange of vast sums of money, possibly at the hands of President Obama’s half-brother, Malik Obama. Add to this the recent assertions of Tahani al-Gebali, Vice President of the Supreme Constitutional Court in Egypt: “Obama’s brother is one of the architects of investment for the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood.” Moreover, that the U.S. government, including ambassador Anne Patterson and Senators Graham and McCain, has been pressuring Egypt to release Morsi and other key Brotherhood figures, such as multimillionaire Khairat al-Shatter—even though they are also being held in connection to incitement and terrorism against Egyptian civilians—only validates the idea that imprisoned Brotherhood leadership, when tried, may well spill the beans as to the nature of the relationship between Morsi’s ousted government and the Obama administration, hence the reason the latter is so adamant about getting them released. […]

Morsi: Don’t think the Brotherhood is going to stand by if I leave office. They will set the world on fire.

True, indeed. While the Brotherhood’s media wing in Qatar, also known as “Al Jazeera,” has been blasting a 24/7 media propaganda campaign dedicated to demonizing the military and garnering sympathy for the Brotherhood—often by flagrantly lying—the Brotherhood and its supporters have quite literally been “setting the world on fire,” most visibly in Egypt, where some 80 churches and other Christian institutions, not to mention government buildings, etc., have been set aflame.

Sisi: Just let them try something and you’ll see the reaction of the army. Whoever among them wants to live in peace, he’s more than welcome; otherwise, [if they try anything] we will not leave them alone. We will not single anyone out, and the Brotherhood is from the Egyptian people, so don’t try to use them as fuel for your disgusting war. If you truly love them, leave office and let them go to their homes.

Morsi: Anyway, I’m not going, and the people outside of Egypt are all with me, and my supporters are not going.

Again, Morsi indicates who his two main supporters are: “the people outside of Egypt,” that is, the United States, and “my supporters,” the Muslim Brotherhood and its many Islamist sympathizers in and out of Egypt.
[…]

Morsi: Okay, if I agree to be removed, will you allow me to travel abroad and promise not to imprison me?

Sisi: I can’t offer you any promises. It’s the justice [department] that will pass its verdict.

Morsi: Okay, if that’s the case, I’ll make it war, and we’ll see who will prevail in the end.

Sisi: Naturally the people will win.

The verdict is still out concerning the fate of Egypt. For true to Morsi’s threats, the U.S. and the Brotherhood and its allies—from church-burning thugs in Egypt’s streets, to Al Jazeera’s media manipulations—are still trying to undermine the Egyptian people’s June 30 Revolution against the corrupt, Islamist rule of the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/morsis-boasts-of-a-...true/

Additional on Malik Obama from Kenya and ties with Morsi. I am unsure who this guy is. The MSM have done nothing. But for sure Obama did support Morsi to the hilt AND STILL DOES against the will of those 15 million on the streets. Perhaps investigate this further.

Raymond Ibrahim has a reputation to protect and does not say things lightly.

Remember the Irish Media and the CIA spy at heart of anti war movement...we knew nothing till the robbery

TO ME AS IRISH PERSON THE BIG CRIME OF IRISH LEFT IS HIDING THE BURNING OF COPTIC CHURCHES AND KILLINGS OF CHRISTIANS IN NIGERIA

"Obama seeks Congress approval for Syria strike"

Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:56

'Barack Obama has filed a formal request seeking authorization from legislators to launch a "limited" strike on Syria, in response to its government’s alleged use of chemical weapons. The president said the proposed strike was not "time-sensitive".'

The above excerpt is from:
http://rt.com/usa/obama-syria-strike-congress-259/
(Published time: August 31, 2013 17:55. Edited time: September 01, 2013 09:34)

The above RT report contains some fairly wide-ranging analysis of the overall Syrian situation, as things stand just now, in an embedded video (18 minutes 26 seconds).

Though it seems far too soon for anybody to sensibly feel sure about what the final outcome of this particular "Syrian situation" will be eventually, yesterday's "request seeking authorization" (from Congress) by President Obama, nevertheless appears (to me) to look like the "first-step" of a VERY WELCOME climb-down/exit-strategy from President Obama and his advisers?

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Related E-mail #1:
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Titled "The EXCEPTIONALLY sickening hypocrisy and double-standards of some senior United States politicians ..."
Full copy at:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/PresidentBarackObama/...l.htm

Related E-mail #2:
Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Titled: "US ready to decide on military action in Syria 'on our own' - White House"
Full copy at:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/YahooGroups/31August2...l.htm

As can be seen at the two addresses just above, both of the above-mentioned e-mails were copied -- in a very public way -- to the NSA and GCHQ: and to MANY other people besides.

Also, "independently www hosted" copies of the "Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:55 AM" e-mail message-text have been placed at the following four YAHOO locations:

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/humanrightsireland/c...s/482

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TheCelticParty/conve.../1023

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/natureireland/conver...14127

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bullyonline/conversa...90338

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Related Link:
"President Barack Obama, government corruption, crime, cover ups, IMPUNITY, William Finnerty ..."
http://tinyurl.com/opx75gr

why get so het up?

by Pat

Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:08

We can't influence world events, so why get so emotional about Syria? Now if only people in their local areas would get scientifically active on issues like school places, derelict commercial premises, inadequate library services, surly service towards clients at medical clinics and welfare offices, quality of streets and roads, rubbish collection services...

“The United States does not have the authority, it’s not the cop of the world ..."

Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:15

"Text of draft legislation delivered by President Barack Obama on Saturday to the speaker of the House and president of the Senate regarding authorization for the use of the U.S. armed forces in connection with the conflict in Syria."

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September 02, 2013 "Information Clearing House -

"Whereas, on August 21, 2013, the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus, Syria, killing more than 1,000 innocent Syrians;"

"Whereas these flagrant actions were in violation of international norms and the laws of war;"

For rest of document (as published by "Information Clearing House") please see at:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36064.htm

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From http://rt.com/news/syria-un-us-aggression-plea-285/:

"Awaiting congressional approval, the White House now has at least one extra week to try and shift public opinion towards a strike on Syria, Brian Becker, Director of Answer Coalition, told RT."

“They are going to wage a campaign using the corporate media in the United States, which really functions as the fourth branch of government in times of crises, particularly war crises. They are going to try and convince people in the United States that there is a justification,” he said.

“The United States does not have the authority, it’s not the cop of the world to be able to go in and attack any country,” Becker added. “And Syria has not threatened and cannot threaten the United States, so such a war would be a crime against peace.”

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Related Link:
"Text of Draft Legislation Submitted by President Obama to Congress Seeking Support For An Attack On Syria ..."
http://tinyurl.com/qjfpc3k

Here's my plan (by Gerald Celente) ...

Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:30

GERALD CELENTE Emotional Call for a 2nd American Revolution."

"Gerald Celente (born November 29, 1946) is an American trend forecaster, publisher of the Trends Journal, business consultant and author who makes predictions about the global financial markets and other events of historical importance. Celente has described himself as a "political atheist" and "citizen of the world". He has appeared as a guest on media outlets such as The Oprah Winfrey Show, The Today Show, Good Morning America, CBS Morning News, The Glenn Beck Show, NBC Nightly News, The Alex Jones Show, Coast to Coast AM and Russia Today."

"Failing banks, busted brokerages, toppled corporate giants, bankrupt cities, states in default, foreign creditors cashing out of US securities ... whatever the spark, the stage is set for panic in the streets" and "Just as the Twin Towers collapsed from the top down, so too will the U.S. economy ... when the giant firms fall, they'll crush the man on the street."

"There is no alternative. Without a revolution, these institutions will bankrupt the country, keep fighting failed wars, start new ones, and hold us in perpetual intellectual subjugation."

The above quotes are from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9qXk-kUu_A
Embedded video:12 minutes 39 seconds
Published on Jul 13, 2013

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"Americans Revolt Against Obama's War Cry"

"Alex (Jones) and host David Knight talk about the momentous political and social sea change taking place in America. David covers the latest developments on Obama's proposed Syria attack as Congress balks at taking military action against the Assad government following a meeting on Capitol Hill on Sunday when select members of Congress were presented with classified information about the chemical attack last month in a suburb of Damascus."

The two quotes just above are from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0KmKSWX3CM
Published on Sep 2, 2013
Embedded video: 45 minutes and 41 seconds.

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PREDICTION:
"Democracy will rise superior to the money power, government of the people, Abraham Lincoln, Human Rights Ireland, Article 6.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann"
http://tinyurl.com/q6bkthb

USA gently cautioned at Petersburg G20 Conference about taking the law into its own hands ...

Sat Sep 07, 2013 09:26

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"International law says that no country is allowed to take the law into their (own) hands."

'Remarks by UN-Arab League envoy Lakhdar Brahimi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhdar_Brahimi) and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Lavrov) added to pressure on President Barack Obama to refrain from ordering strikes.'

'"International law says that no country is allowed to take the law into their hands - they have to go through the Security Council," Mr Brahimi told reporters in a joint appearance with Mr Lavrov at the (G20) summit.'

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"Iran discusses crisis with Gilmore (Republic of Ireland Minister for Foreign Affairs)"

The Iranian Foreign Ministry has released a statement, saying its foreign minister had condemned the use of chemical weapons and called for a political solution to the crisis in Syria in a phone call with Tánaiste (Deputy Prime Minister) and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore.

The statement said: "While talking to his Irish counterpart, (Javad) Zarif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Javad_Zarif) stressed the need for adopting diplomatic solutions for the Syrian crisis and also rejected any kind of indulging in violent ways, a statement by the Foreign Ministry reported on Wednesday.

"Zarif, for his part, condemned the use of chemical weapons by any party and in any way and also criticized those countries that were seeking war in the region regardless of its consequences.

"He also warned against the unfavourable impact of such attitudes on the overall security in the region and hoped that international community would focus on working out political solutions to the problems in Syria."

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"China has called for a full and impartial investigation by UN chemical weapons inspectors in Syria into the attack, and has warned against pre-judging the results."

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All of the above excerpts have come from the following RTE location:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0906/472547-syria/
(Updated: 00:01, Saturday, 07 September 2013)

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Related Issue:

'... our unelected and virtually "impossible to replace" legal profession (judicial) oligarchies are arrogantly and unlawfully putting themselves ABOVE the law, and "the people" BENEATH it: and getting away with such outrageous abuses of the legal justice system/s ...'

The excerpt just above is from an e-mail dated June 23rd 2013 (to the NSA and GCHQ), and copied to the following www location:
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/NationalSecurityAgenc...l.htm

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Related Link:
"US President Barack Obama, judicial oligarchy, IMPUNITY, Human Rights Ireland, William Finnerty ...
http://tinyurl.com/mpjre76

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A Parting Thought ...

"Impunity: the ultimate weapon of mass corruption and destruction": http://tinyurl.com/krqmrwu

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William

Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:20

Ignorance of the law is no defence under the law , but Obama is a professor of law anyway. Nuremburg prosecutor's words quoted in this wsws article today:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/07/pers-s07.html

"The words Nuremburg prosecutor and Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson used to describe the Nazi war criminals apply in full force to the political gangsters who constitute the American government today. These figures, Jackson said, “are surprised that there is any such thing as law. [They] did not rely on any law at all. Their program ignored and defied all law... International Law, natural law, German law, any law at all was to these men simply a propaganda device to be invoked when it helped and to be ignored when it would condemn what they wanted to do.”"

"If you have never seen Gen. Wesley Clark’s stark admission, it is time you did."

Sun Sep 08, 2013 16:50

"In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran."

The above excerpts are from:
http://www.militianews.com/general-wesley-clark-wars-we...ears/

Related E-mail (dated September 6th 2013 to President Barack Obama):
"Usurpers of Two Republican Constitutions ..."
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/PresidentBarackObama/...l.htm

"US Senate delays Syria strike vote over Russian 'chemical handover' proposal"

Tue Sep 10, 2013 09:41

"President Obama is willing to “absolutely” put on pause a military strike on Syria if Bashar Assad accepts Russia’s proposal to hand over control of the country’s chemical weapons to the international community."

The above excerpts are from the www location provided just below, and the report includes a 3 minute 18 second embedded video clip:
http://rt.com/usa/obama-us-syria-chemical-631/
(Published time: September 09, 2013 22:18. Edited time: September 10, 2013 02:27)

Related E-mail (on the general Syrian situation) dated September 8th 2013 to Republic of Ireland Senators ...
"Usurpers of Two Republican Constitutions ..."
http://www.humanrightsireland.com/24thSeanadMembers/8Se...l.htm

Indirectly: "Syria Can Shoot Back, Mr. President" ...

Tue Sep 10, 2013 14:20

"Syria is not Libya. If the United States strikes Syria, we might be surprised at how hard Syria can hit back. The P-800 Yakhont anti-ship missiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-800_Oniks) that Russia has equipped Syria with are the most advanced anti-ship missiles that Russia has."

The two excerpts just above are from:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090913-670351-...TTj3B

Related Link:
"Risk of thermonuclear war, Syria, Human Rights Ireland ..."
http://tinyurl.com/q5wupnb

"Why the US, UK, EU & Israel hate Syria"

Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:01

#4) "Syria’s population is well informed about the New World Order - Its media and universities openly debate the global power elite’s influence in things. This means that they fully grasp the fact that real power in the West lies not in the White House, 10 Downing Street, Congress or Parliament, but rather with the complex and powerful grid of elite think-tanks led by New York’s Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Conference, Trilateral Commission, Americas Society, World Economic forum and London’s Royal Institute of International Affairs, which interact with mega-bankers, media, universities, the military, multinationals and the corporate over-world."

#5) "Syria has massive oil and gas reserves – here we go again! Every time the West goes to war to protect “freedom, human rights and democracy,” there’s always the nauseous stench of oil; whether in Iraq, Libya, Kuwait, the Falklands, Afghanistan… Syria has offshore and onshore oil and gas reserves, and is helping to build a massive pipeline together with Iran, but without Western oil giants’ control. Clearly, the full militarization of all oil production and reserve zones, and the militarization of transportation routes to ‘bring oil home’ from everywhere in the world, is a key on-going joint US/UK strategy."

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"A young, soft-spoken girl living the Syrian tragedy spells it out with far more common sense, truth and honesty than powerful Western governments and their money-controlled mass media puppets."

The "young, soft-spoken girl" lists 8 reasons. Reasons 4 and 5 are provided in the section just above.

The other 6 reasons on this young girl's list can be viewed at:
http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-world-hate-message-604/

Related Link:
"DEMOCRACY will rise superior the MONEY POWER", Article 6.1 of Bunreacht na hEireann, Human Rights Ireland ..."
http://tinyurl.com/ofakxwj

Obama’s Rogue State

by Crazy Cat

Wed Sep 11, 2013 13:13

Article from George Monbiot

http://www.monbiot.com/2013/09/09/obamas-rogue-state/

Claims that Russia downed 2 US missiles

Sun Sep 15, 2013 09:34

There are reports circulating on pro-Syrian social media sites,based on an article in the Lebanese As-Safir newspaper, that say Russia shot down two Damascus-bound US ballistic missiles over the Mediterranean on September 3 . I haven't seen anything about this in the mainstream Western media .

"A well informed diplomatic source told As-Safir newspaper that “the US war on Syria had started and ended the moment those two ballistic missiles were fired"
According to the reports , after shooting down the missilles the Head of the Russian Intelligence Service contacted US intelligence and informed it that:

"Hitting Damascus means hitting Moscow..."
Referring to an earlier announcement , the Russians said ,

"We have removed the term 'downed the two missiles' from our statement to preserve the bilateral relations and to avoid escalation.

"Therefore, you must immediately reconsider your policies, approaches and intentions on the Syrian crisis, as you must be certain that you cannot eliminate our presence in the Mediterranean."...

"One of the first results of the US-Russian military confrontation was the British House of Commons' rejection of participation in a war on Syria."

see:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.fr/2013/09/russia-shot-down-t....html

are just claims. Don't believe everything you read

by FFS

Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:25

Finally, the source pointed out that “One of the first results of the US-Russian military confrontation was the British House of Commons’ rejection to participate in a war on Syria. This was followed by European stances, most significantly, the German stance announced by Chancellor Angela Merkel.”

regarding the honesty or integrity of that "anonymous source", Joe.

The UK parliament voted against a strike on Syria prior to the missile incident.

Not AFTER, as the "anonymous source" states

Believe what you read, not here

by Another FFS

Mon Sep 16, 2013 22:39

Pile of shite, Turas above links to an idiot Gerry Coleman writing on conspiracy theory site global research.

Couple (of many) of his terminological ineaxctitudes:

The constitution does NOT state that Ireland is neutral.

ALL retired Irish Soldiers do not receive pensions - only those with 21 years or more service.

Sister Agnes Mariam of Syria Analyzes Goutha Videos Touted by Obama WhiteHouse, Finds Overwhelming Evidence of Fabrication & Fakery; Were Victims Alawites Children Kidnapped from Latakia in Early August Then Used as Grisly Props for War Provocation?

Tue Sep 17, 2013 00:15

This rushed translation of a report from the International Institute for Peace, Justice and Human Rights (www.ipj.ch) is of a report into an independent investigated the chemical weapons attack in the town of East Ghouta on August 21, 2013, as well as the video media purporting to document these events.

The findings and evidence of ISTEAMS' initial report strongly refute the claims by US--UK--Saudi-- Turkish--Israeli and other Western interventionists. These claims are largely based on video evidence of this mass murder produced by Syrian insurgents and terrorists. For this reason, a rush translation of ISTEAMS' working document on the Ghouta massacre and related atrocities and child abductions in Latakia, Syria, has been produced to inform international public opinion and do justice to the innocent victims of these crimes. The draft report includes a Name List of abducted children and women (pp. 45--50) who may have been massacred by the Syrian insurgents who perpetrated the Ghouta outrage.

The FULL report is in the attached PDF file

In the image taken from the report, it shows a specific instance where a photo used by the CIA backed rebels claiming to be victims of the chemical attack is in fact the original photo of victims in the Adawiha Square in Cario, Egypt.

What the report is showing is that there has been all kinds of manipulations done and they and their backers have used the most sinister and morally disgusting techniques to utterly and callously distort the truth of whatever really happened and they have clearly killed people in the pursuit of their efforts

Full report documenting disturbing twisting of facts 15.59 Mb

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