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Monday May 10, 2004 21:04 by Righteous Pragmatist
Arab leaders "outrage" at abuse of prisoners. Arabs who express outrage over America's treatment of Iraqi prisoners should re-examine their own brutal tactics. Revulsion at the revelations of prisoner abuse by American forces in Iraq has spread faster than hot sand in the dry desert wind. No one has expressed the outrage with more horror than the American people. No one, that is, except the leaders of the Arab world. |
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7Get your own American house in order before you attempt to lecture others. The comparison with other nations is irrelevant as none of them attempt to impose their systems worldwide as do the Americans. The only thing the Americans have succeeded in spreading worldwide for the past century is chaos and self-interest. The American track-record is one of never finishing a job. You've started the job of bringing democracy and self-determination to Iraq, well now you'll have to finish it. Don't bother coming back to this forum boring us until you've finished either!
Surely a fair enough argument? Inhumane treatment of prisoners anywhere ought to be condemned and many countries in the Arab world have horrific records of human rights abuses.
In 1791 the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizens was drafted by the French Assembly two years after the Revolution.
On December tenth 1948 in the Palis de Chaillot in Paris, the United Nation's General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
in 2001 on M11, the Information Office of the State Council of the People's
Republic of China issued a long list of human rights abuses by the USA in that year alone.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2002-03/11/content_310843.htm
in 2002 Mary Robinson former President of Ireland resigned as Commisioner for Human Rights of the UN on the grounds that her work was systematically hindered. (She didn't say it was the Chinese).
in 2003 Singapur tabled a motion to expel the USA a founder member from the Human Rights Council for abuses. Despite having one of the worst records in these things. It was passed (with glee).
if you goto this web page:-
http://www.un.int/usa/
you will find the office of the USA mission
to the UN. If you search human rights, you will find no mention of the US explusion, instead to match the theme of the week you will find catalogued, the human rights abuses in Cuba.
You will also see a photo of Bush (whom you will recognise) with an official (whom you might not have got used to yet). This is the man who was the responsible for designing the proposed new Iraqi flag, (illustrated in my sunday papers), he is now thought to have replaced Bremmer in all but title. (The real reason for Osama's kgs of gold taunt for Bremmer's head this last week)
But for some reason they go on referring to him as an "official" only.
Not only do they have no sense of humour in Dixie, they can't keep anything secret either.
Long past time we called in the contract and broke it up along pre-arranged lines as painlessly as possible.
so america aren't in or don't abide the international declaration of human rights?
I am an American and outraged at our military's actions. Before you get too comfortable slamming us look around you. For years Ireland has spent time and energy fighting each other. Torture and brutality is a way of life in some neighbor hoods. How many of you sold out to the crown? So don't hold your nose too high we all have our problems. Sweep around your own front door before you attempt to sweep around ours. You are right "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
Geri McGill
USA
the line taken in this post is becoming a common right-wing response to the charges against the american military machine: "how dare the arabs speak up against u.s. torture?" this makes sense except for three points: 1) the response from the arab regimes, and from their state media, has been notably muted, in large part, one guesses, because while they don't mind a bit of venting, they don't want to conjure up outrage that would threaten their own rule; 2) there is nowhere, never, any mention of israel among the list of middle east torturers, even though it is clearly the most obvious, habitual and unapologetic offender, and EVEN THOUGH it is beginning to emerge that israeli intelligence was directly involved at abu ghraib (see today's counterpunch); 3) the corrupt arab dictatorships, all of which have a history of brutal repression, are dependent on, have been supported financially and militarily (and one guesses, sold torture technology by) none other than the united states, for at least a half century.
The Israeli Torture Template
Rape, Feces and Urine-Dipped Cloth Sacks
By WAYNE MADSEN
With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."
This seems all the worse because "apparently" since 1999 such methods have been outlawed by the Israeli authorities at home:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/439554.stm
I say "apparently" because a report by Physicians for Human Rights-Israel says they were still at it in 2003:
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2003%20Opinion%20Editorials/November/21o/Torturing%20Palestinian%20Prisoners%20in%20The%20Russian%20Compound%20Between%20the%20Banana%20and%20a%20Night%20on%20the%20Floor.htm
Finally an Israeli soldiers testimony:
http://www.bsos.umd.edu/gvpt/oppenheimer/100/gaza.htm
It would seem that not only the US/K occupation stormtroopers should keep quiet when it comes to preaching about human rights!