New Events

Dublin

no events posted in last week

Blog Feeds

Anti-Empire

Anti-Empire

offsite link North Korea Increases Aid to Russia, Mos... Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 | Marko Marjanovi?

offsite link Trump Assembles a War Cabinet Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:29 | Marko Marjanovi?

offsite link Slavgrinder Ramps Up Into Overdrive Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:29 | Marko Marjanovi?

offsite link ?Existential? Culling to Continue on Com... Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:28 | Marko Marjanovi?

offsite link US to Deploy Military Contractors to Ukr... Sun Nov 10, 2024 02:37 | Field Empty

Anti-Empire >>

The Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard

offsite link Alternative Copy of thesaker.is site is available Thu May 25, 2023 14:38 | Ice-Saker-V6bKu3nz
Alternative site: https://thesaker.si/saker-a... Site was created using the downloads provided Regards Herb

offsite link The Saker blog is now frozen Tue Feb 28, 2023 23:55 | The Saker
Dear friends As I have previously announced, we are now “freezing” the blog.? We are also making archives of the blog available for free download in various formats (see below).?

offsite link What do you make of the Russia and China Partnership? Tue Feb 28, 2023 16:26 | The Saker
by Mr. Allen for the Saker blog Over the last few years, we hear leaders from both Russia and China pronouncing that they have formed a relationship where there are

offsite link Moveable Feast Cafe 2023/02/27 ? Open Thread Mon Feb 27, 2023 19:00 | cafe-uploader
2023/02/27 19:00:02Welcome to the ‘Moveable Feast Cafe’. The ‘Moveable Feast’ is an open thread where readers can post wide ranging observations, articles, rants, off topic and have animate discussions of

offsite link The stage is set for Hybrid World War III Mon Feb 27, 2023 15:50 | The Saker
Pepe Escobar for the Saker blog A powerful feeling rhythms your skin and drums up your soul as you?re immersed in a long walk under persistent snow flurries, pinpointed by

The Saker >>

Lockdown Skeptics

The Daily Sceptic

offsite link Michael ?Hockey Stick? Mann Ordered To Pay National Review Over $500,000 Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:00 | Richard Eldred
Michael Mann, infamous for his climate "hockey stick" graph, has been ordered to pay over $530,000 in legal fees after spending over a decade trying ? and failing ? to silence National Review through a lawsuit.
The post Michael ?Hockey Stick? Mann Ordered To Pay National Review Over $500,000 appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link NHS?s Tech ?Efficiency? Adds Layers of Inefficiency and Pain Sun Jan 12, 2025 09:00 | Shane McEvoy
In an age where technology promises efficiency, Shane McEvoy's recent encounter with an NHS booking service chatbot paints a very different picture of inefficiency and frustration that is symptomatic of deeper issues.
The post NHS’s Tech ‘Efficiency’ Adds Layers of Inefficiency and Pain appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Cooking the Books: Why You Just Can?t Trust the Annual Bestseller Lists Anymore Sun Jan 12, 2025 07:00 | Steven Tucker
The New York Times Bestseller list is "pure propaganda", says Elon Musk. The newspaper even admitted in court it is "editorial content", not factual. But what about the Sunday Times version? Steven Tucker investigates.
The post Cooking the Books: Why You Just Can’t Trust the Annual Bestseller Lists Anymore appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link News Round-Up Sun Jan 12, 2025 01:23 | Will Jones
A summary of the most interesting stories in the past 24 hours that challenge the prevailing orthodoxy about the ?climate emergency?, public health ?crises? and the supposed moral defects of Western civilisation.
The post News Round-Up appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Top Journal: Scientists Should Be More, Not Less, Political Sat Jan 11, 2025 17:00 | Noah Carl
Science, nominally the most prestigious scientific journal in the world, is at it again. In November, they published an editorial saying that scientists need to be even more political than they already are.
The post Top Journal: Scientists Should Be More, Not Less, Political appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

Lockdown Skeptics >>

Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition

offsite link Voltaire, International Newsletter N?114-115 Fri Jan 10, 2025 14:04 | en

offsite link End of Russian gas transit via Ukraine to the EU Fri Jan 10, 2025 13:45 | en

offsite link After Iraq, Libya, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria, the Pentagon attacks Yemen, by Thier... Tue Jan 07, 2025 06:58 | en

offsite link Voltaire, International Newsletter N?113 Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:42 | en

offsite link Pentagon could create a second Kurdish state Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:31 | en

Voltaire Network >>

No-one under 67 has a Constitutional Right to Irish Citizenship

category dublin | rights, freedoms and repression | opinion/analysis author Sunday June 06, 2004 08:27author by Robbie Report this post to the editors

This will not change if proposal is passed

Nationhood or Nationality is not citizenship. Article 2 deals with Nationhood. Article 9 deals with citizenship.

Nationality and citizenship are different concepts. For instance, under British law, a national (for instance, from a British colony like Hong Kong) doesn’tt have an automatic right to citizenship. For excample, on their passport under ‘Nationality’ they have ‘British’, as distinct form ‘British Citizen’ on that of the vast majority of nationals.

The Guardian’s website defines:

Citizen - a person who is a member of a state with rights and duties that result from that membership

Nation - a group of people with a common cultural identity

the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 2001, sees nationality and citizenship as being the same thing, but, apart from Article 9-3, they are treated separately in the Constitution.

Article 2 says that anyone born on the island of Ireland is automatically part of the Irish nation, as is anyone who is a citizen. Article 9 says that anyone born in Ireland before 1937 is automatically a citizen. Nowhere is citizenship guaranteed for in the constitution apart from this.

Therefore, no-one, from whatever country of origin including Ireland itself, has automatic entitlement to citizenship under theeir (elite) constitution. Legislation has seen to the rest.

The amendment will not change this. It says that certain people with no Irish blood (what colour – Green?) in them, have no entitlement to citizenship under the constitution.

Since no-one (including those born of both Irish, or both non-Irish parents) apart from those born in Ireland before 1937) has constitutional rights to citizenship, voting yes would do absolutely nothing except give satisfaction to the inept.

If changes were necessary, they could be brought about by legislation (their being nothing in the constitution about citizenship entitlement except Article 9); but knowing this crowd’s history of passports to rich Saudi ‘businessmen’, such legislation is likely to be richist, rather than racist.

Stating the constitutionally obvious is bad enough; perhaps, designed to distract public opinion from the government’s incompetence in everything else as well. The Left have taken this point, but ignored the actual content. Ivana Bacik sees ‘notwithstanding’ as being the important word in the amendment, but this could have no relevance to Article 2, because it doesn’t address entitlement to citizenship, but only right to be part of ‘the Irish nation’ (whatever commerce decides that means to someone from Killenarden or Tacumshin).

Nations and states rarely if ever coincide, but are aspirations dreamt up by a new religion of Eighteenth Century Romanticism, the latest bogus justification for the existence or legitemacy of the state.

Insum, the proposed amendment appears to be irrelevent gobbeldigook (like most law), whatever the outcome of the referendum, but they shouldn’t have wasted our precious time and money, or their own stifled energy.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Excuse me, but...     Lizzie    Sun Jun 06, 2004 14:50 
   Fact     Robbie    Mon Jun 07, 2004 06:49 
   Re. Fact     walter bagehot    Mon Jun 07, 2004 09:22 
   Have a look at     Lone Gunman    Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:42 
   As someone who knows...     The Hun    Mon Jun 07, 2004 15:12 
   subject     jeepjeep    Mon Jun 07, 2004 15:15 
   Original Posting WRONG. Citizenship is granted in Article 2 to ALL born in Ireland     Constitutional Law Student    Tue Jun 08, 2004 16:20 
   Look Again     Robbie    Tue Jun 08, 2004 20:02 
   I demer     Robbie    Wed Jun 09, 2004 03:45 
 10   Otherwise     Constitutional Law Student    Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:17 
 11   means nothing?     Robbie    Wed Jun 09, 2004 23:43 
 12   Reply to Robbie's last posting     Constitutional Law Student    Thu Jun 10, 2004 13:40 
 13   The difference between literacy and comprehension     Robbie    Fri Jun 11, 2004 17:03 
 14   Re. "British Citizenship"     Sceptical    Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:26 


Number of comments per page
  
 
© 2001-2025 Independent Media Centre Ireland. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by Independent Media Centre Ireland. Disclaimer | Privacy