IAWM condem direct actionists as thugs and vandals?

by wran boy Wed Jun 23, 2004 19:57

should be fun

by Dada Wed Jun 23, 2004 20:30

From IAWM bulletin
Protest
7pm Assemble Garden of Remembrance Parnell Sq, Dublin contact 086 1523542
REGIONAL DEMOS;
7pm Galway- Assemble at City Hall and then Father Burke Park -contact 086 8343667
7pm Waterford- Meet Red square, contact 0863274015
7pm Tralee- Assemble Brandon Hotel, contact 087 6176009
7pm Sligo- assemble Town Hall, contact 086 303 9787
7pm Shannon- assemble Shannon Town Centre Car Park opposite Extravision, March by Shannon Residants. Shannon Residents - contact Dominic Haugh at 086 105 2436

by anti war Wed Jun 23, 2004 21:58 Dundalk

I only sign onto Indymedia when there is something big happening like Bush coming. I want to get to some one of the demos but since I work on Sat and Sun [and can't afford to take Saturday off] I'll be going to the Dublin demo. I gather that makes me some kind of outcast according to most of the stuff on Indymedia. What does it matter who organises these things as long as they are organised? I don't mind how many different anti-war umbrella bodies there are, but I don't like the infighting. It's just typical of the left in Ireland - first on the agenda the split. I'm off to join Sinn Fein, at least they are serious. Youse are all like a bunch of kids.

by nutrition information board Wed Jun 23, 2004 22:50

lets just all go to shannon and have a good time and put our various message's across to the nation and indeed the world as positivly as possible there is no good and bad there is just the reality of the event, what ever that becomes is beyond our control in the most part but once everybody is happy to be there we will shine.

by karen fallon - pitstopploughshares/faslane peace camp Thu Jun 24, 2004 01:17

Direct action is a civil duty ,which whilst being non-violent (inanimate objects are not sentient beings and therefore cannot feel pain etc) confronts the oppressors of the so called civilised society we are living in.N.V.D.A. has a long and honorable history in which many activists have taken part, including the people who took part in the 1916 uprising.
to attack an inanimate object cannot be violent if said object will be or is being used to inflict pain or death on innocent people.

"If they come for the innocent without stepping over your body- cursed be your religion and your life":- Dorothy Day.

by Not so WISE to run in the local elections Thu Jun 24, 2004 03:07

The Clare Champion gives the correct figures for the SWP candidates in Shannon. It turns out that they ran in BOTH the County Council election (Shannon electoral area) and for Shannon town council.

County Council election:

Damon Wise (SWP) 27 votes

Karen Wise (SWP) 6 votes

Total electorate: 14,273

Shannon Town Council election:

Damon Wise (SWP) 15 votes

Karen Wise (SWP) 4 votes (apparently she has two other friends living elsewhere in Clare!)

Total poll: 3,824

by Dominic Haugh - Shannon Residents Protest against Bush Thu Jun 24, 2004 13:07

There has been a lot of unwarranted comment directed at Damon Wise over recent days.

Damon and Karen Wise are not members of the SWP, and to the best of my knowledge never have been.

Damon Wise suffers from Asbergers Symdrome (a form of Autism). He is well known is Shannon and has been an active campaigner for disability rights for many years. He has stood in previous elections and received a similar vote as this year. I have known Damon for many years and is a decent and honest bloke. I only know Karen to see.

Due to changes in regulations for standing in elections this year Damon and Karen were unable to secure sufficient signitures to secure the nomination as independents. From what I understand he then approached the SWP and asked them to nominate him and his wife. You will have to ask the SWP for their reasons for doing this.

As I said earlier, Damon is a decent and honest bloke who has done a significant amount of work building for the protest on Friday. He constantly monitors security activity and has been subject to some harrassment as a result. Unfortunately, Damon tends takes things that he is told at face value without being aware of the motivations behind what he is being told. Many people, including journalists, have taken advantage of this "flaw". Damon has made some comments that have not been helpful in building for the protest, but it has not been out of malice or vindictiveness, but out of a lack of understanding of their implications. We accept that this is how Damon is and welcome his desire to help.

Please keep these facts in mind before jumping on a bandwagon to condemn an individual that is not fully aware of the implications of some (and I stress "some") comments that he makes.

by Big Bad Dom watch Thu Jun 24, 2004 13:18

Thats seems to explain things on Damon and Karen.
Whats your excuse?

by Damo Thu Jun 24, 2004 13:18

The reason why there is such furore about Bush visiting Ireland,is that to Ireland's liberal and left wing who maintain a Nazi-like stranglehold over the media in this country,America republicans no matter what they say or do are the enemy simply because they actually represent an alternative to the libero left wing politically correct infection which pervades and sickens Ireland and Europe in general.The left and libero elites are terrified that maybe the irish people will realise the facist ideology which now holds sway in this country. America gave us the liberal disease lets hope she'll now give us the cure

by dunk Thu Jun 24, 2004 14:16

never mind your internal bollox
i hope all will participate in this short, non violent direct action on sat

black blanket
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bring your bags, bring your kids, bring your granny

by moonwolf Sat Jun 26, 2004 08:31

This is merely another example of the willingness of SWP to hijack the anti war movement for it's own political gain. It is obvious that if everyone who carried a placard with swp on it at the protest marches was a swp supporter they would have got a lot more votes. It is a cynical misuse of the genuine protest of Irish people and fools nobody except the american right who now can argue that all anti war protestors in Ireland are "looney left". Thanks for nothing SWP.