Cork's 1st ever Pride Parade a triumph!!

by d Tue Apr 10, 2007 19:57

WIT's LGBT society might be a good place to start, I'm sure they could help. Their website is http://witlgbt.wetpaint.com/

by raych s Tue Apr 10, 2007 00:23

im raychill
15
bi
waterford
i just set up a gay pride site on bebo
aimed at teenagers
only just done it but i have high hopes
and was lookin to get in touch with an organisation that could organise a parade like this in my area
anyone know any site where i can get help ?

by Georgia Fri Feb 09, 2007 00:34 Fighting.Wolv at GMail dot com

Im so happy that there's a pride parade in Cork i didnt even realise before and i in tears not beacuse im sad but because im just that happy. I definitly want to go to the next parade this yr! Love the pics they look so wonderfull!

by Paula Geraghty Tue Jun 13, 2006 18:54

is on Wednesday, apologies.

Do get the banners and placards and whatever you feel like dressing up in for the Pride march ..... Saturday 24th June.

by Paula Geraghty Tue Jun 13, 2006 18:42

Red Bull is not sponsoring Pride.

Dublin Pride is one of the longest Prides in the world, lasting all of two weeks.

The main or only sponsor as far as i can make out is Foras na Gaeilge, which sponsored a ceili at the weekend. Both Impact and the Irish Nurses Organisation have taken out an ad each in the programme of events, as too has Joe Higgins TD.

People are welcomed to get involved and this can be done through the website.

WERRC Pride Forum is on tonight for interested parties at 8pm.
The Temple Bar Hotel, Fleet Street, Dublin 2.

"Follow the Yellow Brick Road; The Future for the LGBTQ Community.

A panel of speakers will address issues relating to the future for the LGBTQ community and discuss ongoing/future work of related organisations. This is an informal discussion, after the panel have spoken the floor will be open for discussion.

PANEL: Ursula Barry, Gay and Lesbian Equality Network (GLEN); Lynda Sheridan, Transgendered Equality Network Ireland (TENI); Michael Barron, BeLonG To Youth Project. Further speakers to be confirmed
CHAIR: Katherine O'Donnell, Head of Women's Studies, School of Social Justice, UCD
This is a community forum and everyone is encouraged to attend

http://www.dublinpride.org/contact.html

by Paddy Savage - Consistent life ethic(inc animals) Tue Jun 13, 2006 17:11 achorusline19 at hotmail dot com

Overall commercial sponsorship of any Pride event is not acceptable,and Mcdowell,with his selective bigotry,shouldnt be welcomed!! QUEER MUTINY,NOT CONSUMER UNITY!! GAY SHAME,And yes i am queer,are red bull really sponsoring Dublin Pride???

by mongrel - jack russell terrier me ma's was a mongrel too. Sat Jun 10, 2006 23:38

not surprising, you're probably a thoroughbred with letters after your name.
OK so I made a mistake. the USA has only 50 states..................makes it a bit more shocking doesn't it? that in only 19 of the 50 states of the USA zoophilia is a crime. Arizona's attorney general was quoted in March of this year as saying "Arizona appears to be in the minority of states that does not make sex with animals a crime. That doesn't necessarily mean we're wrong. But why shouldn't we be in line with everybody else if the rest of the nation thinks it's a problem?"
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122006
Necrophilia illegal 16 of 50 US states.
Adultery - a criminal offence in 26 of the 50 states of the USA.

Now I'm a bit surprised that Kerry Blue would tell me its ok to exercise force to stop a Jack Russell terrier shagging my trouser leg. Is it?
a bit of intellectual rigour here please.
Why should I use physical force on that animal and not offer it some other stimulus such as a chocy biscuit or lean bone?
What leads to a J.R. Terrier shagging the trouser leg?
What forces have been at play to lead to such an un-natural act for a canine? Has the JR Terrier been victim of some amorous advance by a zoophile or been made party to a zoosexual act?

It may seem incredible to many of the well educated and obviously sophisticated readers of this page like "Kerry Blue", but neither "zoophilia" nor "zoosexuality" have been expressedly prohibited by the world religions representing the majority of human kind. Only the Judaic and Christians seemed to worry about it, the prohibitions against which the LGBT / BGLTvTs communities rightfuly winning their struggle against being rooted in the Bible book Leviticus, (where indeed more ridiculous prohibitions are found). Yet the Khajuraho Hindu temple complex whose stone carvings are often cited to support diversity in human sexual relations also depict acts of zoosex or zoophilia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khajuraho
Someone trying to be funny raised the question of "bubble's & michael jackson's wedding" on the thread meant to discuss "greater simian rights" http://indymedia.ie/article/75708. Interestingly that question has seen very serious intellectual debate this last year - why ought we & how can we -protect animals from sexual exploitation? & how to determine "consent" in inter-species sexual acts? ponder this incident witnessed by Biruté Galdikas (bon 1940) expert on primates:-
"While walking through the camp with Galdikas, my informant was suddenly seized by a large male orangutan, his intentions made obvious by his erect penis. Fighting off so powerful an animal was not an option, but Galdikas called to her companion not to be concerned, because the orangutan would not harm her, and adding, as further reassurance, that "they have a very small penis." As it happened, the orangutan lost interest before penetration took place, but the aspect of the story that struck me most forcefully was that in the eyes of someone who has lived much of her life with orangutans, to be seen by one of them as an object of sexual interest is not a cause for shock or horror. The potential violence of the orangutan's come-on may have been disturbing, but the fact that it was an orangutan making the advances was not."

In this anniversary year of Freud, it might benefit some to ponder the thoughts of Otto Soyka (1882 - 1955) a contemporary of his who argued in "Beyond the Boundary of Morals" that the Western prohibition of "un-natural" sexual acts (rooted in Leviticus) be adjusted to leave only one taboo - "bestiality", thus allowing for homosexuality, lesbianism, masturbation, transvestism and sado-machostic acts. Transexuality alone had not entered the intellectual debate of the 19th / 20th century.
Relying on scientific and medical breakthroughs its debate is only starting (c/f http://indymedia.ie/article/76413 )

Fact is what attempts to present itself as a "gender political" revolution or those who pretend to present themselves as "gender `political intellectuals" are quite simply not. During the period 23/5 to 2/6 in Ireland the question of "age of consent" and passage from sexually immature to mature and the role the State ought or can play in the protection of the individual almost came up. One of the respected and noted spokesperson for Irish homosexuals, Senator David Norris was seen on RTE TV to jump to his feet & shout "splendid!" at the announcement by the former attorney general and acting minister of Justice Michael Mc dowell that a man known as "Mr A" had lost an appeal case by the Irish state. Beyond that shout of approval, no more insight into the journey of one of our most vocal and visible gender political minorities was heard...

Why?
If we all on the "progressive, rational, enlightened, sophisticated" side of society want to create a future where children, young people and adults live without prejudice and in tolerance lives which are true, sincere and based on "love" & forming stable and lasting relationships - surely we need some clever clogs from the LGBT / BGLTvTs "community" to start being genuinely bright & "leading"


& I haven't even touched the role of the popoularity of pony clubs and their joking association with clitoral erogenous awareness.........yet

by Kerry Blue Sat Jun 10, 2006 22:11

"if I find myself molested by a jack russell terrier shagging my trouser leg, I will not feel guilty for using force to castigate it"

I agree. You have every right to beat it off.

BTW there are 50 states in the US, not 51. Count the stars on the flag before you burn it.

by terrier Sat Jun 10, 2006 21:42

on Christopher Street in that city, it has a certain resonance, the Stonewall riots of 1969 occured on a Christopher street in New York City.
[Speaking to journalists at a poorly attended speech session before the main "street party" Winterthur Social Democratic parliamentarian Chantal Galladé and Fritz Lehre, president of the Organisation of Friends and Parents, emphasised how important it was that homosexuality be discussed in schools, that being the current agenda of Swiss BGLTvTs representational groups (c/f http://www.csdzh.ch/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Item...ng=en Fritz Lehre arguing that young people should not be afraid to tell their parents that they feel attracted by members of the same sex. He added that it was the job of parents to make it clear to their children that they would continue to be loved and accepted.
Chantal Galladé stressed the responsibility of schools. Schoolchildren had to be sensitised and homosexuality should not be taboo. It was necessary, therefore, to make teachers aware of the issue during their training. She said young people should feel love of the same sex was just as normal as love of the opposite sex. If this were not the case, there could be serious consequences leading, for example, to depression and even suicide. Contrary to previous years, there were not so many flashy outfits on show this year, with most people turning up in normal everyday clothing.]
(-swissinfo & agencies)

Anglo-saxon cultures have quite infamously ran into legislative and social problems when adressing the question of non-hetrosexist education of teenagers. Perhaps a more knowledgeable member of the Irish BGLTvTs community could bring the general reader through that.

Interestingly the question of bestiality or zoophilia or practise of sexual of acts or derival of sexual pleasure from animals, is not uniformly legislated against in the Western World & has never found itself subject of the "love that dare not speaks its name" discourse of the chattering classes. wilhelm Reich may have attempted to articulate the "sexual rights of the child" but no-one. not even the "great simian rights" lobby have touched inter-species relations. (c/f http://indymedia.ie/article/75708 )
Zoophilia is generally seen as a taboo, and falls under the "un-natural" category, though one might push the intellectual envelope and wonder why is it "un-natural"? We can not argue that such "un-naturalness" is based on the hetrosexist concept of "sex is linked to the maturity of the breeding capacity and fertility", for if we were to do so, we would devalue the rights we afford our fellow citizens for whom sexual acts have no relation to breeding, fertility but in their words only "love" be it erotic, platonic or whatever..,
Therefore other elements would enter that rigorous intellectual discourse if anyone was up to having it, & I doubt any Irish attorney general types will be up to that soon.

It is a crime to engage in zoophilia in most of the EU's 25 states and 19 of the 51 states of the USA. That means Zoophilia has been criminalised in less states of the USA than EU. We Europeans might consider ourselves ahead on that particular area of sexual morality. Perhaps irrelevantly necrophilia is illegal in all of the states of the EU but only 16 of the USA. Adultery is a criminal offence in 26 of the 51 states of the USA, but not in a single one of the EU. Indeed in the state of Michigan all sexual relations except those between two persons married to each other (of the opposite sex) are criminal offences except if the partner is dead.

Obviously gender politics has a long way to go.
Which is why I am one of those who believe we need a section for it.


Till then (the stage we have a gender politics section & proper debate with proper opinions) if I find myself molested by a jack russell terrier shagging my trouser leg, I will not feel guilty for using force to castigate it, unless of course it turns me on. & not a one of you will oppress me & my rights.

but before one earns the T-shirt, quite a lot of personal development generally is called for.

by Kerry Blue Sat Jun 10, 2006 20:29

But what are your views on bestiality? I dont mean to hound you, just want an answer. Can animals consent?

They have another fun parade in cork each year: the Corpus Christi Parade. About this time of year. Always gets a great turnout. Not as much fun as a pride parade though. On next years Pride Parade I will go as the Disciple Jesus dearly loved.

by terrier Sat Jun 10, 2006 20:21

the most attended non-commercial parades in the Irish states are religious of nature, both the RC church and the Orange Order manage to bring out the most people of their communities to reclaim that yard of tarmac on their days of festive obligation.

Now will we start seeing campaigns on gender awareness & teenage education & a true Irish gender political debate from the "B.G.L.Tv.Ts" community? Or are they waiting till they manage to get out all their citizens - since they do not seem to gather 10% 15% of the population at these events?

Or do we stop even pretending that that "community" has a political vision? Looked like a great day. btw ;-)

by Kerry Blue Sat Jun 10, 2006 19:44

Lighten up and have some fun. You sound as if the only party you want is a Vanguard Party. Sometimes a parade is for fun purposes only. So people can meet up and dance, drink & shag. (And piss on any Trot who tries to ruin the fun by selling SW.)

by terrier Sat Jun 10, 2006 19:38

a community that can not see common political activity or involvement in issues of widest social concern with true intellectual integrity is not a community.

be it LGBT or BGLTvTs pride day, it has nothing to do with stonewall. & you exagerate your attendance.
So do the Saint Patrick's as well. There is a debate needed in Ireland about "growing up". Will it be the Saint Patricks lot in their order of hibernians? or the LGBT DVD club? or Mcdowell as either attorney general or minister of justice? or someone else who will get it going?

why are you proud?

by rts! Sat Jun 10, 2006 16:23

So I suppose the suggestion that the "BGLTvTs" community sort out the name they call themselves has fallen on infertile ground?
The fact that the bisexual community is larger than either gay or lesbian community has no relevance to a debate on health & educational policy and an age of consent?
How many of the BGLTvTs community experienced hetrosexual acts during their teenage years to later change their mind about their fully mature orientation?
How many of the "hetrosexual" community have experienced similar?
Don't you "Pride" people who in most cases seek commercial sponsorship for the after parties (& thus are not in any sense organising free parties) think you could promote intelligent debate on sexual education in early and mid teenagers?
Or do you somehow sidestep that issue? & since you didn't take part in the organisational non-heirarchial structures or events which precluded the most significant RTS! events without which there would have been no replication on a global basis, or further didn't find yourself as one of those named for being responsible - I don't think you can lecture me on what "rts!" was about.

read my comment again. I hope some well balanced members of the "BGLTvTs" community play their part in the national debate.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/76475&comment_limit=0&c...53121

by Harry Potter Sat Jun 10, 2006 02:09

Nobody tried to prevent the Gay parade from happening. However, it would have been more lewd than fascinating by taking place in Cork City.

by strap Sat Jun 10, 2006 01:00

"I have the right to use "rts!" as a comment author name, because I've done loads of them & also the first ones."

You have the right, do you, to speak on behalf of a non-hierarchical movement based across many different countries? You were granted this by every RTS collective? This is possibly the stupidest comment I have ever read on imc.ie (and that's saying a lot), and even totally flies in the face of what rts is (or, more accurately, was) about.

by rts! Fri Jun 09, 2006 19:00

I find it fascinating that those who wish take credit for "Pride" events refer alternately to either "gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans people" or the by now more familiar "LGBT".

Neither "abbreviations" being in alphabetical or demographic order. I have yet to read "bisexual, gay, lesbian transvestites, & trans-sexual people" being both more alphabetically and demographically accurate.

I have the right to use "rts!" as a comment author name, because I've done loads of them & also the first ones. I am not aware of any "rts!" event to date which has occured with commercial sponsership of the usual party which ends the proceedings. But I am aware that "Pride" events have taken on a certain commerical sponsership profile which has little to do with the alledged "Stonewall" origins.
I recall one "pride" event I attended a few years ago with my friends who numbered 8 and only one was "BGLT" in London. (I suspect many who attend "pride" events in Ireland have attended such similar events in other cities.) At the end I found myself quite memorably standing between the faithful followers of the then Iman of the Finsbury Park Mosque, old Abu Hamza "claw-hands" egging him on as he shouted unkind things and the party-goers leaving the park, who for the most part didn't really understand the unkind things being shouted at them.
I was as I have often written ridiculously placed between Sodom & Mecca .
Well I gawked - wouldn't you? what else could you do?
they were more innocent times & no-one expected old "claw hands" to be shipped off to the USA & quite probably Gitmo for wanting to nuke London or something.

I don't think there really is any point in asking the ""gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans people", or "LGBT" or "BGLT" who do these sort of things, to give us something as resonant as :-
* hooding Connoly & scribbling on the ground in crayon
* putting a mohican on Churchill & tagging the cenotaph
* occupying the Futures' exchange & closing the Bank of England
* explaining to us the role the BGLT / LGBT "community" has to play in establishing a society where the passage from sexually immature to sexually mature citizens without regard to socio-economic, cultural or ethnic origins are guaranteed by framing state policy on - an environment, educational service & health services adecquate to the challenges of a true & proper national debate on the age of consent.

( now the last bit is quite difficult to read & act upon. we're not all attorney generals after all. Let us see how well we think & act - not compare party skills. )

by Harry Potter Fri Jun 09, 2006 16:09

Thats all....

by Cian Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:30

I'm a big fan of RTS which at its height might have attracted about 1,000 people. My point is that Pride is the biggest free party - it attracts thousands of people every year - including 2004 when it poured down - there was still more people at it than at any RTS. Pride is a community run event, not for profit, free, providing an alternative space to the commercial sector that dominates Dublin. What more do you want?

by pat c Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:11

With all due respect the RTS gigs were not of the same quality enjoyable tthough they were.

also Pride events cater to a wider range of people, in age and interests.

one size does not fit all.

by ex RTSer Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:08

What about RTS? Thats a big street party with no commercial sponsorship. No reason whatsoever why the Pride people couldnt do something similar.

by Cian Fri Jun 09, 2006 14:02

There was large scale opposition and general disgust within the LGBT community to McDowell been invited to open the film festival and I know lots of people who boycotted the festival as a result. It is true that there is an eletist element within the Gay and Lesbian Eqaulity Network who never consult anyone in the community that they purport to represent but this is been challenged.

As for Pride - its the biggest free party thrown in Dublin every year run on a not for profit basis - if you can pull off a bigger free party without commercial sponsorship then maybe you would be in a position to criticize.

by Paul McAndrew - Cork Pride06 committee Fri Jun 09, 2006 13:58 paul at queer dot ie

No politics? two of on the Cork Pride committee (of about 8 people,) are anarchist, and four of us are unpaid community activists.

And this is a leaflet written and distributed by me at last year's Cork Pride and paid for by Cork Anarchists:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71272

by gay shame Fri Jun 09, 2006 00:20

Ireland gay community is one of the most commerical and conservative in the world, yeah hats off to whoever invited one of the most right wing justice ministers EVER to the opening of the film festival, and the annual pride march down to the civic offices is beyond a joke at this stage, sexuality given the biggest generalisations ever, stamped with advertising for the 'pink euro', yes all LGBT people drink red bull and like disco music. Never any serious or radical politics any more because they're afraid they'll get their state funding pulled, any other groups have a nice cafe and drop in centre right in the middle of town?? Like fuck.

by AudioHead Thu Jun 08, 2006 23:50

Tuesday July 06, 2004

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/65886

Dublin’s Gay, Lesbian, Bi & Transgender Pride Parade June 2004 – Photos

by john francis - Irish Queers-NYC Thu Jun 08, 2006 23:15

great job cork. happy pride. lots of love from nyc.

by Dave Donnellan Thu Jun 08, 2006 14:37

Just a note to congratulate all those who put such time and effort into making the Cork Pride Parade such a success. It's such a fun loving breath of fresh air.

by Paul McAndrew - Cork Pride Committee 2006 Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:54 paul at queer dot ie

The History of Lesbian & Gay Pride
Nowadays, huge Lesbian-Gay-Bi-&-Trans Pride Parades are held every summer in most major cities around the world. The first ever lesbian and gay pride marches took place on 28th June, 1970 in New York City & 4 other US cities. They were held in memory of the Stonewall Rebellion, - queer riots in New York exactly a year earlier. In New York about 2000 people took part in the first march and 1200 people marched in Los Angeles.
In Ireland, the first Lesbian & Gay pride marches were held in the early 1980s, - only a few dozen activists. Next time an Irish Lesbian & Gay Pride March was tried, in Dublin, in 1991, 600 came to Dublin Pride. Since homosexuality was legalized in 1993, thousands have taken to the streets of Dublin, Belfast, Waterford and Galway to celebrate their pride. Sunday June 4th 2006 will be the first time a Pride Parade has been held in Cork, (although during Pride 2005, an open top bus, draped in Rainbow flags and full of exuberant queers, toured the streets of Cork)

The Stonewall Riots
In the late Sixties, rebellion was in the air...the Black Civil Rights, the Women’s Liberation and the anti-Vietnam War movements were in full swing. On June 27th, 1969, Judy Garland's funeral was held in Manhattan. In the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, the police raided the Stonewall Inn, a lesbian & gay bar on Christopher Street in Greenwich Village, New York. (It was illegal at the time to sell alcohol to gay people!!) It was the 2nd time that week the Stonewall Inn had been targeted, & other Lesbian & Gay bars had also been raided in the weeks before. Police lined up 200 customers to check their IDs & were verbally and physically abusive to them.
Fighting Back
Queer people had had enough of being picked on & treated like dirt. When a police wagon arrived & the police loaded the bar's staff & 3 drag queens inside, the crowd of mainly Black & Latino butch dykes and camp gay men on the street got angry. The 1st vehicle left without incident apart from catcalls from the crowd. The next person to come out of the bar was a woman in men’s clothes who put up a struggle which inspired the bystanders to action. Sylvia Rivera , a hetero transsexual woman threw a bottle & soon garbage cans, bottles, & even a parking meter were used to assault the building. Someone set a fire with lighter fluid. By newspaper accounts, 13 people were arrested & three police officers sustained minor injuries in the confrontation
Later that night & into Sunday morning, a crowd again gathered in front of the ravaged bar. Many young gay men showed up to protest the flurry of raids, by holding hands, kissing, & forming a chorus line. "We are the Stonewall girls," they sang, kicking their legs in front of the police. "We wear our hair in curls./We have no underwear./We show our pubic hair." Police cleared the street without incident this time, but another street battle happened a few days later.

Lesbian & Gay Liberation
The riots triggered a wave of lesbian, bi, trans and gay liberation around the world. At the end of July, LGBT activists circulated copies of a leaflet calling for a mass "homosexual liberation meeting." The headline of the flyer read, "Do you think homosexuals are revolting? You bet your sweet ass we are!" The alliance that formed from the meeting held on July 24 adopted the name Gay Liberation Front (GLF); among its demands were not only an end to police harassment, but job protection for Lesbian & Gay employees, the repeal of sodomy laws, & local& national anti-discrimination laws
At the time of the riots, there were a few dozen Lesbian & Gay organizations in the United States. Within a few years, the number had risen to more than 400. Soon, numerous other organizations & a host of Lesbian & Gay liberation publications emerged, first in New York & then internationally. Lesbian Gay Bi &Trans Liberation grew quickly and huge breakthroughs in civil rights for gay people were made throughout the 70’s 80’s and 90’s...the struggle continues..

(my article this year's Pride brochure..Paul McAndrew)

by sammy Tue Jun 06, 2006 16:52

John, I think the answer to your question is YES. All the time, every day every where.
And in a way this answers Joe's question, it is because of the very real and constant homophobia in our great "Emerald Isle" that events like this have to be (and excuse the double entendre) "In your face"

by Cian Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:54

As I understand it, pride is a celebration of diveristy and been lgbt. It comes from a tradition where mainstream society looks down on people been gay as if it something that we should be ashamed of. When the day comes where there is no more prejudice or discrimination, then there will be no need to have a day to celebrate been gay - a day where the positive side of been gay is expressed. Also when you are a minority it can be very empowering to have a celebration in numbers, where you realise that lgbt people are everywhere and they come in all shapes and sizes.

Pride is always great fun and a great day out. Also more importantly it is a community rather than a commercially driven event, offering an alternative to the commercialisation and commodification of been different.

Dublin Pride takes place on Saturday June 24th meeting at the Garden of Remembrance and Labour Youth is hosting a talk on same sex marriage on Friday June 16th at 8 pm in the Teachers Club, Dublin as part of the Connolly Festival: http://www.labour.ie/youth/news/index/20060505162710.html

by Anarkitty - Cork Pride Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:36

as i understand it, pride celebrations are not about being "proud of being gay" whatever that means, but are a celebration of the progress we have made so far in our struggle for equality - something most readers of this website should well understand.

as for whether "someone is persecuting gays in ireland" do gay couples have the right to marry and adopt children? No? then the struggle continues...

by Max Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:14

Yes. as we speak

And Why not celebrate being hetro?
I think its great
Are you objecting to the pride march
because you do not have confidence
to express yer own sexuality?

by John Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:02

Why are they proud of being gay?

Are heterosexuals supposed to celebrate being straight?

Is somebody persecuting gays in Ireland?

by krossie - wsm personal capacity Tue Jun 06, 2006 15:01

Looks absolutely superb - well done to all concerned!!!

by Joe Soap Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:54

What I meant was "What do you think Pride does to them?" i.e., doesn't it have an effect on them? Don't they get associated with "The Community"?

I think things like Pride only reinforce stereotypes for everyone, rather than breaking them down.

by sammy Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:37

As far as I'm aware Pride never claim to represent everyone. The LGBT who don't want to be part of it, therefore aren't represented by them. As for what is Pride doing for them? Well not wanting to be part of it, why should pride necessarily do anything for them?

by Joe Soap Tue Jun 06, 2006 14:09

I'm playing the devil's advocate here somewhat, but how do you address the needs/wants/desires of LGBT people who do not want to be part of "The Community"? Do you think it's fair to them that Pride Parades are inferred to be representative of all LGBT people when they obviously are not?

Essentially, don't you think Pride only sets the agenda back by presenting a two-dimensional picture of LGBT people as fun-loving frivolous drag-queen, queer types? I'm sure there are many LGBT people who find the whole thing alien. What are you doing for them?

by young anarchist Tue Jun 06, 2006 13:33

Looks like great fun!