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A Martyr to The Cause

category longford | health / disability issues | opinion/analysis author Sunday July 23, 2006 15:34author by Sean Crudden - imperoauthor email sean.crudden at iol dot ieauthor address Jenkinstown, Dundalk, Co Louth.author phone 087 9739945 Report this post to the editors

The Death of John Carthy

Why was John Carthy so isolated? Why was he one against many? What is the rationale for the Abbeylara siege? Why did John Carthy have to die?

John Carthy was young, a mental patient, a handballer and he resisted authority to the point of death. That is why I have, since the very first day I heard of the tragedy in Abbeylara, a fellow-feeling for John Carthy as well as sympathy for his cause. And I am gratified that Judge Barr has been able to bring to a conclusion, with the publication of his report, an €18m process of inquiry into the killing of John Carthy. I think that this has been a remarkable personal achievement on the judge’s part. Bertie Ahern has given the judge’s report an accolade saying it is an "important" report.

I hope to read the report in the fullness of time even though I am already satisfied that the judge stood up to harassment and pressure and clung to the objective of giving a dead man justice and vindication.

Brendan O’Connor has a quite well-written article in this morning’s Sunday Independent. In the article he seems to me to be making a reasonably sincere effort to try to explain the why’s and wherefore’s of the Abbeylara shooting. He is not just trying to be provocative as on senses he often is. But if you sum up the article he puts the blame for the tragedy on one word "mental illness."

In a sense he is right and the seeds of the tragedy in Abbeylara are the same seeds as those which are at the root of many tragedies which are a daily occurrence e.g. many suicides and the personal repression of many individuals - both women and men - who are classified as mental patients.

Perhaps if "mental illness" were better understood there would be less repression and less tragedy.

The Garda may plead in mitigation of what they did in Abbeylara that they had no training in dealing with a mentally ill person i.e. that in some way they did not understand John Carthy. But where, in any case, would they get information from? There is no evidence, from the little I know, that the psychiatrist or the doctor involved understood John Carthy any better than the gardai.

That is why Eugene Magee has a lot of sympathy from me in his often rehearsed view that the local gardai who knew John Carthy personally would have resolved better the situation that arose in Abbeylara.

My own impression, in general terms, is that the gardai are often quite sympathetic to a mentally ill person - especially if he or she is amenable to control - because they know that the mental health system is often really only exploiting the gardai to get them to do their dirty work for them.

Really and truly this idea that there is someone at the end of a phone who understands "mental illness" is, in my opinion, an - often dangerous - mirage. The truth, in my mind, is that "mental illness" as Brendan O’Connor talks about it - and as it is commonly perceived today - is impossible to understand properly.

However I think it is quite easy to understand and get to know mental patients or people who carry the label of mental illness i.e. if you want to. Just give them the respect any human being is entitled to and engage with them.

Candidly I think that mental patients and the mentally ill have a lot to be thankful to John Carthy for and to Judge Barr.

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Mental Illness......Fear.......Change.....     Michelle Clarke    Wed Dec 27, 2006 16:59 
   A Vision for Change. Year 1 anniversary/ What outcome for people with mental health problems and     Michelle Clarke    Thu Jan 25, 2007 00:51 
   'Nothing About Us Without US'     M Cotton    Thu Jan 25, 2007 05:20 
   Suggested websites by Miriam Cotton to Michelle/Sean     Michelle Clarke    Sat Jan 27, 2007 16:56 
   Good bye to a Mother and son.     Michelle Clarke    Thu Feb 01, 2007 02:59 
   Another suicide, a boy, only 11.     Jack Russell    Fri Feb 02, 2007 13:50 
   Something does not rest well on my soul.     Michelle Clake    Sun Feb 11, 2007 02:30 
   A case on hold due to exceptional circumstances     Kevin T. Walsh    Sat Feb 17, 2007 01:11 
   Reminder.......Kilkenny and Ciara     Kevin T. Walsh    Sun Feb 18, 2007 20:55 
 10   Where is the Church?     Michelle Clarke    Mon Feb 19, 2007 22:06 
 11   What about a brief on this suspcious case     Jack Russell    Thu Feb 22, 2007 00:25 
 12   Justice must be seen to be done!     Michelle Clarke    Tue Feb 27, 2007 19:32 
 13   Something does not just sit easy with me about the Ciara Gibbs Case     Kevin T. Walsh    Mon Mar 19, 2007 20:44 
 14   Stigma; mental illness, Anxiety - ultimately suicide for some     Michelle Clarke    Thu Mar 22, 2007 20:53 
 15   Social Justice and unclusioin     Kevin T. Walsh    Thu Mar 22, 2007 21:16 
 16   Kevin....re. death of 16 year old.....Why the inaction?     Michelle Clarke    Thu Apr 05, 2007 21:39 
 17   Silence is deafening.......Why?     Michelle Clarke    Sun Apr 08, 2007 17:18 
 18   What is Justice?     Kevin T. Walsh    Sun Apr 08, 2007 23:28 
 19   Youth and tragedy. Waterloo Road at 4.00 a.m. Why?     Michelle Clarke    Tue May 29, 2007 23:09 
 20   2007 conference in Kerry re. suicide     Michelle Clarke    Wed Aug 29, 2007 16:40 
 21   Carthy Family Settles Case against the state and an garda     Sean Crudden    Fri Mar 13, 2009 18:58 
 22   Pat Kenny a.m. programme re. Suicide     Michelle Clarke    Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:36 


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