'Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it' George Santayana

by Flynn - agrescon@agrescon.nl Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:48 agrescon at agrescon dot nl 0031102102055

Just a comment on the above article, well said by a man whose obviously well Read, the Country needs more sagacious people engaged in the Corrib Gas inquiry like him, if we had such educated people we would,nt be in all kinds of Law now, Corporate, Civil, Constitutional,Maritime,European, Criminal, and even International, make no mistake they,re on their way. Flynn O Flynn.

by Michelle Clarke - Social Justice Sun Sep 10, 2006 21:36

Law like medicine has diversified into a multitude of strands and our courts and hospitals, with the prestigious limited in supply numbers of progfessionals, are a true indication of the Supply Demand Theory and financial benefits and costs.

China...India. Yes, Flynn.....Things are changing and going to change further. We need to think, ponder, study our own history, visit the like of Marsh's Library and regain interest in broad array of knowledge.

A wise old Judge born 1870 used to say 'Knowledge is no load'.

Michelle

by Paddy Clifford Sun Jul 20, 2008 05:48 pmclifford at paradise dot net dot nz

My thanks to the grandfather of Michelle Clarke, Judge Michael Comyn. His magnificent efforts representing my uncle, Paddy Clifford, ensured his reprieve from a death sentence by the Military Court of 1921. My father told me that Paddy had to dig his own grave the day before his execution was due. His reprieve ensured that he was able to marry and have three sons. They in turn had many children.

My heartfelt appreciation to Michael Comyn RIP.

Paddy Clifford
New Zealand

by Michelle Clarke - Social Justice and Ethics Wed Jul 23, 2008 21:49

What a surprise your posting gave me? I am delighted to hear from you and your valued views about a Grandfather, I never met but who is familiar to me in that eerie intuitive way.

Paradise is New Zealand, is it not? I have never visited but knew a man who had worked for 6 years out there and he spoke of its beauty.

As a young person visiting Clare, I used to hear the elders chat and often they would refer to a family in Co. Clare and they were known as the Hens of Paraidse (their family name and the name of their home).

I don't know if you are responding to the posting of over 2 years ago or you know of the book that has recently been published.,

The Clifford and O'Sullivan case as you know ended up in the House of Lords in 1921 and the lives of some 40 men were saved......and how pleased I am to hear your news about your uncle....to think of a prisoner having to dig his own grave is beyond belief, but to hear your news of the reprieve and two generations on. There is hope for Peace and Reconciliation. I know my grandfather defended Erskine Childers and my aunt harboured him in a house in Leeson Park. He was deeply disturbed that the convention of law was broken by the powers that be and Erskine Childers was executed while his case was on appeal. They were terrible times.

Assuming you don't know about David Foxton Q.C.'s book - I am going to give a brief outline. Have you seen the film 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley.....if so, you will notice that the Dail Courts featured - low profile as yet. This book, for the sake of Peace and Reconiciliation going forward, will have some enterprising film-maker embrace it......the 3 Law Lords and two barristers from Ireland.....engaging in expansive and exploratory language to basically buy time.....is such interesting reading.

As you probably know my grandfather came from Ballyvaughan, Co. Clare - his family had been evicted from their land in the 1880's and he stayed with a relative in Ruan, Co. Clare and was taught by Mr. Brady. Like so many other Irish he joined the English Civil Service, attended Preston College and eventually Kings Inns, his brother James Comyn followed him to Law, having read philosophy. Michael was living in England and reading for Law in Ireland so therefore was unable to attend lectures. This contravened rules and a proviso was made, he was to put himself forward for the Victoria prize....he did and he won it so he was called to Bar.

Back to David Foxton's book. My Grandfather's nephew, James Comyn, was educated in England. JJ (the name I used) - there had been a falling out between the Comyn family and De Valera. JJ went to Oxford and studied law. He was the first Irish man to become President of the Oxford Union. As a family we were very proud of JJ's endeavours and he never but kept one amused at dinner parties about the yarns and stories of old. JJ had some papers but a lot came from his memories. Thankfully he has written several books.

The Book by David Foxton QC is published. He travelled to Dublin for a day and met with Kevin myself and Jack Russell to explore family papers.

Title: Revolutionary Lawyers
Sinn Fein and the Crown Courts
in Ireland and Britain 1916-23

The photo in the book is my Grandfather in full formal attire.......as Kings Counsel in 1914.....

Cover:

..This book considers the use made by Irish Republicans of British and Irish courts in the struggle for independence, over the period of the Easter Rising and the Civil War.

It examines the complex relationship between the Republican movement and the British legal order.

Republican ideology demanded a boycott of British Legal Institutions in Ireland, and committed Republicans to refuse to recognise the Authority of the British Courts.

Outcome: The Republican Movement established its own rival structure. Yet, ........Republicans were simultaneously able to make effective use of British Courts to promote a separatist agenda.

These were the military courts / the Dail courts that operated during 1920/21. It was about the conflict for legal supremacy in Ireland.

You might wonder why I have the related link brain awareness.....in 1993 while living in Zimbabwe, I fell off a horse, while jumping fractured my skull hence Groundhog Day governs.....Kevin keeps me in check....if at all possible.

Thanks - I really enjoyed the nice ending.......Peace and Reconciliation is the only way forward.

Michelle Clarke

Quotation
The Quest - Leon Tolstoy (1828-1920) Russian Writer
'Without knowing who I am and why I am here.......Life is impossible'

by Michelle Clarke - Social Justice and Ethics Sat Aug 09, 2008 17:57

its intention to renovate and covert the recently closed Kilmainham Courthouse in Dublin. It is to be convered into an Irish Legal History Museum and educational centre.

What a challenge to all Irish people to engage in a positive way with Law and re-establish principles to abide by the Rule of Law and to facilitate education. The historic courtroom is to remain untouched. This courtroom is regarded as sacronsanct in Irish history because of the association with the Invincibles, the Fenians and the 1916 Volunteers.

Quotation from George Orwell as quoted in Stanley Cohen's book - States of Denial, Knowing about Atrocities and suffering.
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'All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts...
The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, BUT he has the remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them....
In nationalist thought there are facts which are both true and untrue, known and unknown.
A known fact may be so unbearable that it is habitually be put aside and not allowed to enter into the logical processes.....
But
Every nationalised is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered.....Material facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotatios removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning'

Ireland stand's at a precipice; how will we interpret the Rule of Law, how will we engage with Human Rights and the vulnerable. We all stand charged with a sense of responsibility.

Data source: Irish Times Mon 4th August, 2008

by Michelle Clarke - Social Justice and Ethics Mon Mar 16, 2009 17:51

The fashion appears to be these days to abandon the senate. We if thats the case why not the Presidency? What this cost? This is about culture building and being entertained by other Presidents (albeit they may be known to hold Swiss accounts and abide by a different Rule of Law'

Give me the Senate. John Hume speaks of 'Diversity in Unity'. At least the people of Ireland can share in the workings of the senate.

The system of appointment could do with change - perhaps but as Yeats wrote 'Thread softly because you thread on my dreams'

The 1930's Senate debate speeches are most interesting reading and we could learn from same.

The Problem is we have had the Celtic Tiger and built big buildings to re-iterate we have made up position viz viz London, and Dublin metaphorically is back as the second city of the British Empire. We swallowed it hook line and sinker. Bankers who were probably paid maximum £50,000 in 1991 when Bank of Ireland share were £1.7 followed London and the global trend to 2.2 miliion euros for Goggin....plus plusd plus.......and then there was hello money, good bye money, etc. etc.

But is this rational? Where have the proportions gone. As a secretary in 1986 I was paid £6,000, what could I expect now as I am now a disability long-term candidate? Any ideas out there......

Figures figures figures.......they baffle people and you can concoct balance sheets

Maura Sleep tight......you are not forgotten. Right is right and wrong is no man's right (I think Confuscious)

Michelle Clarke (Now that the Celtic Tiger has altered to a pussy cat, we can teach him thrift, equity, morals, transparency)

by Comyn - 2013 "The Gathering" Fri Mar 29, 2013 14:10

Twittering a few months ago I noticed that there was to be a celebration of the 15th Anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement up North. By chance I googled it last night a realised .... the day has come. Today is the Anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement.

How far have we come? Do we value the endeavours of those who fought to hard to achieve Peace?

President Obama made a statement last night as did the Parliament members in the UK?

Derry is the City of Culture? Is Dublin still the City of Literature?

What is the "Gathering" going to contribute to Peace on this Island of Ireland?

The narrative took which road.... Is it the road less travelled?

Comyn