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category limerick | anti-war / imperialism | news report author Saturday November 25, 2006 17:24author by Zoe Lawlor - Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign Report this post to the editors

Palestine Solidarity Campaign Success

Atlantic Homecare in Limerick today took all its Israeli stock off their shelves and put Out of Stock stickers on produce too big to move in response to a picket outside their store by the Limerick branch of the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
Picketing Apartheid
Picketing Apartheid

Atlantic Homecare in Limerick today took all its Israeli stock off their shelves and put Out of Stock stickers on produce too big to move in response to a picket outside their store by the Limerick branch of the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign. The group displayed large posters calling on Atlantic HC to stop supporting Apartheid Israel, handed out fliers to shoppers and spoke to people entering the store. Security guards asked the campaigners to move but they refused. following discussion with the store manager Clive Long, he then agreed to remove all their Israeli produce, mainly made up of Keter plastic wheelbarrows, garden sheds and storage boxes. He undertook to keep the produce off the shelves until Monday when the IPSC can discuss the matter further with Atlantic HC head office.
This unprecedented move highlights the importance of targetting shops stocking Israeli produce and how even small, local actions can be very effective. Keeping the public informed about Israeli produce in our shops is paramount to the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and even small successes such as today's are really encouraging.
Having seen all the Israeli produce being physically removed from the shop floor on pallet trolleys, the campaigners thanked the manager for acting with conscience and ended the protest as agreed.
Today's action is part of an ongoing campign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Apartheid Israel run by the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

author by John Morrisonpublication date Sat Nov 25, 2006 22:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I think it is strange that the IPSC classify the form of government and political system in Israel as an apartheid regime. How many Arabs/Palestinians are barred from voting in Israeli elections? How many Arab/Palestinians are barred from internal or international travel by the Israeli government? Can you give one example of how Arab/Palestinians are discriminated against?
I am of course referring to Arab/Palestinians who live in Israel, and not those who live in the PA. Give one credible argument for why apartheid exists in Israel?

author by ygpublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 09:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Congrats to IPSC for its bold move, bringing the boycott-divestment-sanctions campaign to many who don't know the conditions of life of Palestinians living inside Israel proper.

Being able to vote is a meaningless "privelege" if it accompanies restrictions on entering universtiies, or detainments at Ben Gurion airport, or being permitted to purchase housing, and on and on. Many laws preventinting discrimination are completely ignored, so if you need proof you must disguise yourself as an Arab and then try to conduct a normal life.

"Apartheid" is actually a very polite terms for what Palestinians feel; it is really much more like fascism. As long as a Palestinian stays inside his apartment and never ventures outside, then it's ok. As soon as a Palestinian goes out and tries to claim the priveleges of an Israeli citizen, he learns he is really not a full-class citizen any longer.

author by Padraig O Braonainpublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

In 2004 I ask the manager of a large Super/market store in Monaghan town to stop stocking produce (carrots) grown in Israel and to sell Irish produce instead.

I directed the manager to newspaper reports and world images of innocent children being blown to pieces in their beds at night as a result of Israel’s so-called “precision bombing”.

The manager refused my request, coldly saying, “We stock Israeli carrots because Irish carrots are not as good” When I mentioned this to local Irish farmers they angrily denied this and showed me perfectly good and healthy Irish carrots.

I returned to the SUPER-market and ask again if they would stop selling Israeli produce - my request was further denied. I politely but firmly mentioned that I could, and would, organise a protest picket outside the store; this was met with a snap remark and refusal from a junior manager. I placed my grocery purchase on the counter and left the store.

A short time later two special branch detectives showed up at my place of work and ask the owner, and was given, a photo copy of my Canadian driving licence ( I recently returned home from Canada) The SUPERmarket staff could only have followed me to my car that day or obtained my car licence plate on CCTV and alerted Ireland’s political police.

An inquiry was then made with authorities in Canada and details of an extremely personal and sensitive nature, none criminal, but emotionally damaging to me was outrageously passed back by special branch to my Monaghan employer. When I discovered this from a fellow employee I resigned my job in disgust.

The public perception of a right to peaceful protest or assembly in this country, without penalty, just does not exist.

They are watching and taking notes.

author by David L - IPSCpublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 16:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi John, good questions. We all know that horrific discrimination exists in the Occupied Territories, but are less aware of how prevalent it is inside Israel. On the right to vote, the first problem is that the only political parties allowed are those which don’t challenge the sectarian nature of the state of Israeli – i.e. its exclusively Jewish nature (imagine how that would have translated in Stormont-era Northern Ireland!).

Apart from this, there are at least 100,000 Palestinians in Israeli who don’t have the right to vote in local elections or indeed any other rights, because they live in ‘unrecognised villages.’ – that is, where they live and have always lived were designated ‘non-residential areas’ by the Israeli government. This means that don’t have schools, public health facilities, electricity, and that their houses are under constant threat of demolition. Funnily enough, only Palestinian communities have been treated like this in Israel.

You can find more information here: http://www.assoc40.org/. Also try this one: http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/topic.php?...id=14 (the IPSC database of information about Palestinian citizens of Israel)

On the right to travel internally – this is a sore point, because there are over 200,000 internal refugees in Israel who are not allowed to return to their homes. They are classified as ‘present absentees’ – an Orwellian term which reinforces these people’s own sense of non-existence as non-Jews in a Jewish state. Disturbingly enough, there is an Irish connection to all this, in that De Valera forest in the Galilee (in honour of the Long Fellow himself) is built on land taken from Tur’an village, many of whose ex-residents are classified as present absentees.

On the right to travel abroad, there is the constant worry among Palestinian citizens of Israel that while they will certainly be able to leave the country, they might find it difficult to return. They will also face severe hassle at the hands of airport security, which especially discourages older people from travelling. For a harrowing example of this, read Ronit Lentin’s article in next month’s Dubliner magazine.

Palestinians in Israel also face severe discrimination in education, employment and all other walks of life. This is before we even go into the ongoing landtheft from Palestinian villages in the Galillee, and the phletora of rules barring Palestinians from owning lands. An excellent book on this institutionalised racism has been written by Susan Nathan, a British Jewish journalist who reversed her Zionist outlook after being exposed to the apartheid-style regime in Israel itself. Her book is called ‘The Other Side of Israel’ and is available at all good IPSC events. Bookshops too.

author by At ease.publication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 18:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sure the Govt in Leinster House do arms deals with the Zionazis and buy Israeli Uzi's to arm their goons in Special Branch. Thats where the pickets should be.

author by guydebordisdeadpublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 20:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Is boycotting Israeli goods an effective tactic though?

Does it hit the government or the Israeli workers?

author by avi15publication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 20:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is a really pathetic showing by the IPSC. Frankly, they flog the term 'apartheid' to death, because it is such a good soundbite. However, the reality is very different. You can certainly point to faults in Israeli society - and Israelis would probably be the first to reveal them - but I ask you what democratic country does not have faults? It is a question of seeing things in perspective and this is where the Pro-Palestinian propagandizing starts. In fact, Israel is undoutedly the freeest country in the Middle East for Arabs, Jews and Christians.

Take a look at the Palestinian territories: if you walked down the main street in Ramallah, saying that you are against terrorism or perhaps with a Jewish skullcap on, you would be lynched within seconds. The Palestinians don't want any Jews. The Christians in Palestinian areas have suffered appalling persecution for 25 years now. Palestinian children are brainwashed with so much racist hatred of Jews and the Christian West that whole generations have been lost to terrorists. You have to understand that Palestinian society is tyrannical and autocratic in nature. The radical muslims and the terror gangs and the corruption that have taken it over mean that it is just about the worst place in the world to live.

When Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israel, it is because the Jews are trying to protect themselves from islamist racism. In fact, far more Palestinians are killed by other Palestinians than by Israel. If I don't like someone, I can just go up to them in the street in say, Gaza, accuse them of being an Israeli informer and shoot them dead on the spot. No-one will stop me. This is the kind of society the Palestinians have. The trouble is, in Ireland so many people are so naive and ignorant, they fall for the propaganda. They fall for the Pals victim stories. Yes, they are victims, but not of the Jews: they are victims of their own, evil political, religious and social culture. It is very, very sad.

Be smart. Don't fall for the lies about Israel.

author by AviD Fanpublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 23:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Drivel
by avi15 Sun Nov 26, 2006 19:38
This is a really pathetic showing by the IPSC. Frankly, they flog the term 'apartheid' to death, because it is such a good soundbite.
=== However, the reality is very different. You can certainly point to faults in Israeli society

Like bombing their neighbours, degrading them at checkpoints, trying to deprive them of land, water, an education, an economy, a dignified life...

- and Israelis would probably be the first to reveal them - but I ask you what democratic country does not have faults?

Sure, just like Stalin's Russia had it's faults, and sure, what country didn't so why pick on the poor Russians, eh? The KGB themselves would probably be the first to list their countries flaws...

===It is a question of seeing things in perspective and this is where the Pro-Palestinian propagandizing starts.

Yes, far too much attention is paid to this trivial matter of stealing land, water, demolishing whole blocks of houses, making pregnant women wait for ages in the hot sun at checkpoints, Palestinian children shot by snipers, restrictions on internationals coming in to observe life in the Occupied Territories, British volunteers and cameramen shot by the IDF and IDF lies to cover it up, Ambulances attacked or delayed... you need to see the bigger picture...

===In fact, Israel is undoutedly the freeest country in the Middle East for Arabs, Jews and Christians.

Look at the company you're comparing it to. Like Israel, most M.E. countries were carved out by the victors of WW2, with borders set for specific geopolitical interests, and rulers allowed to repress as they please so long as the oil keeps coming. This is who you compare yourselves too? How about, oh, I dunno, Switzerland, Canada or Belgium?

===Take a look at the Palestinian territories: if you walked down the main street in Ramallah, saying that you are against terrorism or perhaps with a Jewish skullcap on, you would be lynched within seconds. The Palestinians don't want any Jews.

Really, how come last month I was watching an interview with a Jewish Teacher who works in the Occupied Territories, and makes no secret of where she lives or comes from? I think you're confusing the Palestinians with the Gestapo there... The Gestapo led an unprovoked genocide against European Jews, whereas the Palestinians attitudes about Israelis does seem to have a bit of a connection to actions of the Israeli state and its massive military machine... or is that just pro-Arab propoganda?

===The Christians in Palestinian areas have suffered appalling persecution for 25 years now. Palestinian children are brainwashed with so much racist hatred of Jews and the Christian West that whole generations have been lost to terrorists. You have to understand that Palestinian society is tyrannical and autocratic in nature. The radical muslims and the terror gangs and the corruption that have taken it over mean that it is just about the worst place in the world to live.

Mind, you the IDF have played their part in lowering the life expectancy and overall ambience of the Palestinian neighbourhoods as well eh, Avi? I wonder what drives so many Palestinians towards radical terror gangs though? Seems like they might be angry about some sort of repression, and are therefore more easily bainwashed into extremism. A bit like the brainwashing that goes on in Israel as well, about Palestininan "History" or lack thereof...

==When Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israel, it is because the Jews are trying to protect themselves from islamist racism.

Of course, it's not ISRAELI racism at all. And your remarks here prove that Israel isn't a racist state. And just because you repeatedly remind us that it's a state that identifies itself with a particular religion, doesn't mean it looks less favourably on the gentiles... it's just not THEIR state, whether they live their or not... All those house demolitions for example, those are to stamp out racism, much like footballers wearing "kick racism out of soccer" T-shirts,,, only with less sports equipment, more armoured bulldozers and more dead kids, but obviously with the same motivation... to kindle a spirit of mutual respect and humanity between both cultures, right? Or am I slightly off base here?

=== In fact, far more Palestinians are killed by other Palestinians than by Israel. If I don't like someone, I can just go up to them in the street in say, Gaza, accuse them of being an Israeli informer and shoot them dead on the spot. No-one will stop me. This is the kind of society the Palestinians have. The trouble is, in Ireland so many people are so naive and ignorant, they fall for the propaganda. They fall for the Pals victim stories. Yes, they are victims, but not of the Jews: they are victims of their own, evil political, religious and social culture. It is very, very sad.

Oh, I can feel your palpable pity for the "victims of their own evil culture"... sad, indeed. I'm sure it keeps you up at night crying for the poor Palestinians.

==Be smart. Don't fall for the lies about Israel.

Ok, thanks for the Tip Avi, nice one! Shalom.

author by Ya Wha?publication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 23:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Padraig Wrote :
A short time later two special branch detectives showed up at my place of work and ask the owner, and was given, a photo copy of my Canadian driving licence ( I recently returned home from Canada) The SUPERmarket staff could only have followed me to my car that day or obtained my car licence plate on CCTV and alerted Ireland’s political police.
An inquiry was then made with authorities in Canada and details of an extremely personal and sensitive nature, none criminal, but emotionally damaging to me was outrageously passed back by special branch to my Monaghan employer. When I discovered this from a fellow employee I resigned my job in disgust.

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Padraig, why resign your job, when you can sue your boss (and the state for harrassment)?
Your boss doesn't have to give any documents to the cops, unless and until they come with a court order. Your information is confidential, your boss is not allowed to just give it to anyone who asks.
(why would your boss have a copy of your driving license anyway?)

They may be watching and taking notes Padraig, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hit back with the same laws these liars claim to uphold. Learn about your rights, and screw any cops who try to trample on them. It's the only way to put manners on them.

author by State Spypublication date Sun Nov 26, 2006 23:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Your telephone number doesn't end in "999" by any chance?
do a Google and have some of that stuff deleted

author by the sppokpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 00:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There must be more than one Padraig O Braonain ...
Unless he's the guy living in the Thatched Cottage in the townland of Mweeloon ...
Which begs the question as to why he would have been hassling the wage slaves of a supermarket in Monaghan ....

author by Padraig O Braonainpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 01:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

State spy poster. I am not too worried if they are tracking or watching me, they would find nothing. I don’t care who knows where I’m living. All I do is protest at state corruption, they may not like it, but the last time I checked this was not a crime.

author by de pookapublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 01:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Complaining about a supermarket stocking foreign produce on its shelves is hardly a matter of protesting at "state corruption" - it is a challenge to the privately owned and controlled power of INTERNATIONAL CAPITAL.
You should have copped on by now to the fact that in this era of GLOBALISATION, states have become subservient to the power of TRANSNATIONAL CAPITAL.
One might view this as a "corruption" of the state, but in terms of objective Realpolitik it is probably more correct to speak of a subordination of the state to a global, transnational network of power.

Against this background it is hardly a surprise to find the special branch responding to your activities by acting as lackies for these interests. They are driven by the same logic which impels the uniformed thugs currently occupying North Mayo to smash their truncheons into the disobedient peasantry. They are merely following orders as the sheep in human clothing have done for centuries.

author by David L - IPSCpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi debord (is dead)

On the boycott campaign and who it hits – ask yourself if you would be asking if the same question about the boycott campaign against South Africa – i.e. whether it hits the white South African workers or the government. The campaign is supported by all the elements of Palestinian civil society, and increasingly by the few progressive outposts in Israeli society.

Also ask yourself the question, if you disapprove of armed resistance to the occupation, than why wouldn’t you support this non-violent resistance? I’m assuming here that you do accept that Palestinians have the right to resist oppression.

David

author by Jackson Five - The Jackson 5publication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 13:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Time to picket Tesco then? All their herbs are of Israeli origin and are probably irrigated using water stolen from Palestinians.

author by MichaelY - iawmpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 14:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Recently: Tesco in Dublin's Henry Street.

Tesco boycott
Tesco boycott

author by OYGpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 16:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

OMG wrote:
a star of david is to be painted on every store selling Juuuish goods
while we are at it we may as well paint it on juus also, for ease of reference
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What a reverse and perverse way to look at the anti-arab anti-semitism of Israel.
Quite clearly the State of Israeli sees itself as a nation for Jews only, they even put the Star of David on the flag, so every one knows who runs the show.

Of course, your alarmist cry of painting a star of David on stores is the usual rubbish. As if Israel is being criticised purely because of religious bias against Jews. It's Israeli goods that were targeted, not because of the religion of their producer, but because of the state they support.

Israel is not Judaism, one is well armed country occupying and oppressing Palestinians, and the other is a religion. Not all Jews are IN Israel or PRO -Israeli State aggression.
Get a life, get a dictionary, and map and a conscience.

author by ankpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 17:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Quite clearly the State of Israeli sees itself as a nation for Jews only,"
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Correct, it is a Jewish state. It is also the only Jewish state in the world, the only place a Jew can truly call home if needs be - and if the state of Europe is anything like Indymedia shows, it really will be "needs be" very soon indeed. The Arabs and Muslims have 22, yes, 22 whole states between them. Any Arab who is not happy in Israel is welcome to leave to one of his fellow Arab states. If the Palestinians are deserving of a state, why would the Jews not be? Talk about Apartheid. The only discrimination I see here is against the Jews.

"they even put the Star of David on the flag"
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Oh dear me! (Clutches chest and faints away). You mean religious symbols are NOT ALLOWED on national flags??? Will someone quickly please run and tell the Saudis, the Iranians, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, the Swiss, the British...

What a bunch of idiots.

"As if Israel is being criticised purely because of religious bias against Jews. It's Israeli goods that were targeted, not because of the religion of their producer, but because of the state they support. "
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I do indeed see it as religious bias agaisnt Jews. If Israeli goods are being targeted because of the state they support, why do we not see boycotts against Chinese goods? Russian goods? Arab produced goods.

/wait a minute, Arabs produce stuff besides terrorism? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

author by getacluepublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 17:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Quite clearly the State of Israeli sees itself as a nation for Jews only

1.2 million Arab-Juus live within Israel
Arab-Juus make up 8-20% of the total population
Arabic is an official language on an equal footing with Hebrew
Arabs hold 12 of 120 seats in the Israeli Knesset
An Arab holds a seat on the Juus Supreme Court
There are five official Arab parties
All Arab municipalities receive government funding for education and infrastructure.
Juus built the Arab “Palestinians” 6 universities, 20 community colleges and 166 clinics between 1967 and 1995.
Juuish settlements in the disputed territories of Gaza, Judea & Samaria (wrongfully called “occupied territories” and “West Bank”) cover only a mere 1.7% of the land!!!!

yes indeed juus only in juuland

btw a Palestinian by definition also includes the juus, get a clue would ya boi!

author by WTFpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 17:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It seems necessary to repeat my earlier post, it obviously didn't pentrate the fanatical minds in action here:

More tiresome bleating from the Zionist fanatics, "anyone who opposes Israel is a Nazi", boring boring boring, give it up, stop shrieking and come out with some proper arguments, stop trivialising the history of anti-semitism by using it to justify your vile ideology, just go away

author by Hmmmpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 18:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

a question for getaclue

why do the Israeli govt keep calling Israel

"A jewish state" if its not a state for jews?

Quite clearly despite the numbers indicated by getaclue, Israeli authorities want a jewish state but they failed to get rid of that troublesome 1.2 million people he mentions, remember that a govt party recently openly expressed the idea of forceable repatriation of these "citizens" to areas away from jews a so called "cyprus solution" more like apartheid

author by getaclue - getacluefoundationpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 19:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"A jewish state" if its not a state for jews?

Errr ...loike ya might say The Irish Free State?

Tis not your fault, tis bred into ya

Quite clearly despite the numbers indicated by getaclue, Israeli authorities want a jewish state but they failed to get rid of that troublesome 1.2 million people he mentions, remember that a govt party recently openly expressed the idea of forceable repatriation of these "citizens" to areas away from jews a so called "cyprus solution" more like apartheid

Indeed Ireland also houses a party on the far right
most countries do, just like parties from the left--does not mean they have influence or indeed any power whatsoever

Quite a lot of Palestinian leaders call for the Final extermination of the jews, the drive them into the sea mantra

does that mean they all think like that then?

I like to think todays speech by Olmert can be a positive and maybe give the palestinians some food for thought, maybe they will stop killing people with aimless rockets

I hold out my hand in peace to our Palestinian neighbours in the hope that it won't be returned empty," Mr Olmert said
Mr Olmert spoke of releasing many long-term Palestinian detainees in Israeli jails, lifting restrictions on the occupied territories, dismantling settlements and ultimately creating a viable state

author by WTFpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 19:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Indeed Ireland also houses a party on the far right
most countries do, just like parties from the left--does not mean they have influence or indeed any power whatsoever"

Oh dear sonny Jim, you don't think you can get away with that do you? Many countries indeed do have far-right leaders - Israel, however, has just made its own fascist into deputy prime minister. No "influence or power" whatsoever, eh?

Now it's time to bow out of the discussion, you haven't a leg to stand on after that shameless lie

author by hmmmpublication date Mon Nov 27, 2006 20:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The bottom line is this. Peace will come to Israel and the Middle East only when the Israeli government is willing to comply with international law, with the Roadmap for Peace, with official American policy and with the wishes of a majority of it own citizens - and honour its own previous commitments - by accepting its legal borders.…...The United States is squandering international prestige and goodwill and intensifying global anti-American terrorism by unofficially condoning or abetting the Israeli confiscation and colonization of Palestinian territories."

The above are the words of Jimmy Carter - former US president and Nobel Peace Prize winner in his new book "Peace not Apartheid"

Now are you going to call an American president anti-semitic? He did after all broker the first arab-Israeli peace deal?

Ah wait a minute, yes yes,

he his anti-semitic and you know better

author by PaddyKpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 02:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

IPSC is making a difference with precision-guided conscience.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6115.shtml

I express my gratitude to the activists that helped bring about this success - You certainly do speak for me. I thank the activists for their conscientious act and I thank the manager of that store for making such a mature and professional decision.

Not easy for either parties to succeed in modern Ireland - but Both did. Both parties excelled. Victory in Palestine !

Atlantic Homecare is to be congratulated on the callibre of staff they employ. The professional response was inspiring.

So shines a good deed in a weary world.

A world that sleeps through earthquakes.

Viva Palestina. Solidarity with the slain families of Palestine.

Thanks IPSC. Thanks manager of Atlantic. Justice has patience.

author by avi15publication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

is very simple. The Palestinians don't want to share. They are like a five year old with a playmate and two toys. He wants both toys, not just his own. The five year old just cannot grasp the concept that one toy belongs to him and one toy belongs to the other child. It doesn't matter how many times you tell him, he just doesn't get it.

The peace offer that the Pals have from Israel right now is quite genuine. The only catch is that they have to stop trying to murder Jews and also trying to destroy the Jewish state by flooding it with Palestinians.

We Jews accommodated all our refugees driven out one way or another from the Arab countries, who now form half the population of the Jewish state. It's about time the Arabs did the same with theirs.

History will judge the Palestinians by their actions, not by their words and protestations of victimhood.

author by MichaelY - iawmpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

One of the most pressing pieces of business George W. Bush must tackle in Amman later this week is the demand for an international conference on Iraq which must be dominated by a built-in agenda on the Palestinian-Israeli dispute. Palestinian leaders, picking up the new tones in Washington, and the fallout of US difficulties in the region, decided to announce a temporary cessation of hostilities starting Sunday, Nov. 26.

Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert, loath to relinquish the high diplomatic ground to the Palestinians, and against advice from most of his Israeli generals, promised Monday that after the captured Israeli soldier is released, Israel will free many jailed Palestinians, including long term prisoners, as a confidence-building gesture to prove Israel seeks peace. As soon as a Palestinian unity government is formed, Olmert said, immediate negotiations could start with Mahmoud Abbas on the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. He also said the evacuation of some West Bank settlements was possible in return for real peace and Palestinian renunciation of the return of 1948 Palestinian refugees. If such talks are successful, Olmert promised to release frozen Palestinian funds.

It would be interesting to follow these developments closely and see whether the precarious ceasefire lasts after Bush's departure from Amman. In the meantime, Israeli Army sources are talking of serious Hamas military re-alignment, "employing Hezbollah tactics of hit and run" as they put it.

author by dissenterpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

the more i read on indymedia the more depressed i get

the self-righteousness here is overwhelming

these people take issue with the dealings of honest legal ordinary people and bully them into following their own particular ideals. Boycotting the goods of a particular country is an expression of your opinion - that's great - but forcing it on others is wrong - that includes blocading places of business in limerick and mayo

when will you lot realise that your opinions are only as valuable as anyone elses and that you don't have the monopoly on morality?

author by the brain drainpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 13:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Israeli Army sources are talking of serious Hamas military re-alignment, "employing Hezbollah tactics of hit and run" as they put it

Indeed pray be to god for your Sources there laddie!!! Maybe you ought to inform the Israelis of this! Tis after all what hamas have done for years

Israeli army sources..ROFL

author by MichaelY - iawmpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 14:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The drain on the brain has obviously reached a critical mass level.
Anything left?

Please read from www.debka.com - very close to the generals

November 27, 2006, 11:05 PM (GMT+02:00)

Israel’s five-day anti-missile campaign was curtailed Sunday, Nov. 26 by a ceasefire announced by the Palestinians. But it was long enough to provide Israeli forces with the foretaste of a Palestinian fighting force far different from ...what had been faced for the past six years in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

For the first time, [in plain English - FOR THE FIRST TIME!!] Hamas and its affiliated armed groups banded in the Popular Resistance Committees proved capable of correct tactics in deploying their troops, avoiding frontal clashes with Israeli forces. The fingerprints were clearly apparent of the 120 Syrian and Hizballah officers whose arrival in the Gaza in the weeks after the Lebanon War was revealed by DEBKAfile. They came in quite openly through Cairo international airport without demur from Egyptian officials.

....officers who took part in the anti-missile combat said no direct contact had been made with these Palestinian forces because of their exceptional swiftness in flitting from point to point, much like Hizballah in Lebanon. Their preferred name for the curtailed engagement was The Surveillance Battle.

author by redjadepublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 14:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

MichaelY

I really am shocked you would cite Debka for anything - it is a crap news source and has a batting average of near zero. Its a gossip sheet that has the same credibility of Drudge Report.

author by anonpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 14:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Must be fast runners to outrun a tank shell or a missile...

hopefully the peace talks will bear fruit or there will be very tired militants all over the place

author by MichaelY - iawmpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 14:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

My good friend redjade

I respect your views about DEBKA - though I don't fully subscribe to them.
It's a hit and miss website close to certain sections of the Israeli establishment.....however, I think your 'shock' is slightly exaggerated. My quote above from Debka has been confirmed by Palestinian friends.

Below a bit of info on DEBKA from Wikipedia - another crap site?

"When it comes to finding out what's going on in the Middle East, there is an overwhelming temptation to turn off the TV and keep oneself firmly glued to Debka.com. With the rallying cry 'We start where the media stop,' the site is a wonder of hit-and-run journalism, and its Iraq War Diary is a must read during this time of conflict." USA Today

"On several occasions, Debka.com has beaten the Western media to information that has later shown up in U.S. newspapers… At its best, Debka.com reads like a tip sheet from the desert, from people who know… If you want to be on the cutting edge during these days of crisis and international chaos, check out DEBKA for yourself." The New York Observer

"Like most of these things, it is not entirely reliable. It runs releases fed by its sources. Sometimes - like all of us - it publishes things that are just plain wrong. But what is interesting and useful is that it accurately reflects a certain Israeli mindset on the politics of the Middle East as viewed by the country's spooks." Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs Editor at The Observer

"This Jerusalem-based site has achieved notoriety for its tip-sheet-like reports from the war zone. ... Debkafile has been ahead of the pack often enough to suggest that the reporting is good." Forbes

author by Benzionpublication date Thu Nov 30, 2006 22:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The very sad fact chaps is that whilst Israel wants to make peace, there's no-one they can talk to. Hamas and Hisbollah won't recognise Israels right to exist, 33% of Palestinians who live and work in Israel, want its destruction and the man pulling all the strings up in Iran is an anti-semitic holocaust denier. Arafat had numerous chances and never took any of them ( what did Abba Eban say " Yasser Arafat never missed a chance to miss a chance" - brilliant)
Israel offered a two state solution under Ehud Barak, they have given land back....and what do they get in return thousands of missiles killing and maiming people. Before you jump down my throat of course I hate to see innocent Arabs killed but why is it Israel everytime who's making the sacrifices.
How many Israeli suicide bombers can you name. Why don't the Palestinians take the initiative.....
I'll tell you why, they don't want peace, they want to do what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem tried to do in 1948, drive the Jews into the sea.

So do me a favour, instead of protesting against the "Apartheid" Israel and convincing some half wit manager to turf out the Israeli goods - just think about the fact that they were very likely made by Arabs working in Israel and you are in danger of doing them out of a job ( how many Israelis do you think would be allowed to work in Jordan, Saudi, Egypt etc)

Instead of protesting against Israel all the time .wouldn't it be nice to channel all you eforts into promoting peace in the region.

author by Paddy7publication date Thu Nov 30, 2006 23:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I have to agree with a number of pro Israeli comments above.

Why do we never see any anti Russia, anti Pakistan, any anti Somalia demonstrations in Ireland.

I think the IPSC should divert its attention to demonstrating outside every Chinese restaurant in the land. After all they don't have a great human rights record do they??

author by anonpublication date Thu Nov 30, 2006 23:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

BIt in the Times where it says the prodcuts are back on sale. Are these Atlantic homecares a franchise, or how much of bollocking did the managere get for doing this.

author by quiet palestinian supporterpublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes they are offering peace for sale but as usual Hamas reject it out of hand....

its interesting how all the palestinian supporters go quiet in times like this...

wont be the first time and will hardly be the last...

How do the Palestinians expect peace and statehood when they wont go to the table to talk

Once again palestinian leadership fails their people

nothing new there....

author by Fred Johnstonpublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:49author email sylfredcar at iolfree dot ieauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

Let's get it straight once and for all. The Israelis are NOT the victims here, the Palestinians are. Camp David and 'Oslo' and similar 'agreements' were intended to give the weight of the argument in favour of Israel and create Bantustans for the Palestinians. What we have now is a ghetto, a huge number of people locked behind a concrete wall, barbed wire, and the intransigence of IDF who won't allow even the sick to pass throw roadblocks on occasion - we won't even mention the machine-gunning of ambulances. Israeli hard-liners are pushing for even more punishing laws to be passed whereby all Arabs in Israel will effectively be non-people with no rights to speak of; the cleansing that is going on, the attempts to push people back into the sea, are attempts by Israel to rid the area of Palestinians. There is no threat to Israel: how could there be? It is the most heavily-armed nuclear force in the region. Israeli military have committed war-crimes; often they describe these murderous incidents as accidents and 'regrettable.' Let's please give up this well-propagandised notion that Israel is a victim: the Palestinians are the victims. Let's start from there.

author by jasuspublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

whereby all Arabs in Israel will effectively be non-people with no rights to speak of; the cleansing that is going on

I think the below previous post sums up your crystal ball ** facts and conspiracy*** nicely, the problem is you try to predict the future and make it sound as if it is happening NOW, not unusual for palestinian supporters, its called blatent lies

1.2 million Arab-Juus live within Israel
Arab-Juus make up 8-20% of the total population
Arabic is an official language on an equal footing with Hebrew
Arabs hold 12 of 120 seats in the Israeli Knesset
An Arab holds a seat on the Juus Supreme Court
There are five official Arab parties
All Arab municipalities receive government funding for education and infrastructure.
Juus built the Arab “Palestinians” 6 universities, 20 community colleges and 166 clinics between 1967 and 1995.
Juuish settlements in the disputed territories of Gaza, Judea & Samaria (wrongfully called “occupied territories” and “West Bank”) cover only a mere 1.7% of the land!!!!

The Palestinian leadership most take responsibilty for their actions, They must represent their people ALL THEIR PEOPLE, not just the extemists, something they have never ever ever done

author by Jesus H Christpublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Some advice for the Israeli racists who keep posting on this site – every time we see you put inverted commas around the word “Palestinians”, we know we are dealing with racist fanatics and ignore everything you say.

author by jasuspublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Perhaps jesus you would be so kind as to give me a definition of a ***Palestinian**

is a real **Palestinian** a term used for arabs only?
is a real ** Palestinian** a term used for people that lived in fabled **Palestine**?
is a real **Palestinian** an arab under Israeli occupation

so many many definitions of a ** Palestinian***

thats why the ** **
nothing more, nothing less

Can a Jew be a **Palestinian**?

Not even one from **Judea**?
or **Samaria**?

not that black and white is it , the definition of a **Palestinian**

author by one more puzzlepublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The great yasser

was he a **Palestinian**?

where is the **palestinian** language?
do you speak **Palestinian**?
have you heard of **Palestinian** culture? i never have, perhaps you can enlighten me

has there ever been a land called **Palestine** governed by **Palestinians**?

i have never heard of one

next time think before you call people rascist, it just might backfire

author by curiouspublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 14:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Can anyone tell me which goods were on sale in the atlantic hc store and do other branches in Ireland still stock them >?

Also is there an online list of israeli goods which are currently for sale in Irish stores ?

I would hate to accidentally buy one and it seems that they wont carry the 'made in israel' label for obvious reasons.

author by Iilyapublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 15:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Got some peanuts around Samhain, and when buying had a look to make sure they were kosher (so to speak), and it said packaged in Spain on them, sound job I thought. But when I got home, had a look at the reverse of the label, and it said produce of Israel!! Knew there had to be some reason my kids wouldn't eat them, far more consientious than I am, with all the indoctrination. Sneaky tactics though eh? So watch out for that, they may be processed else where but can still be produce of Israel. Also, The IPSC website has a list of israeli goods, and companies that should be boycotted.

author by Fintan Lane - Anti-War Irelandpublication date Fri Dec 01, 2006 15:22author email info at antiwarireland dot orgauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

An IPSC picket will be placed on Atlantic Homecare in the Sandyford Industrial Estate, Dublin, on Sunday.

Assemble at 2.45pm outside the main entrance.

All welcome!

author by David Lpublication date Sun Dec 03, 2006 20:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The goods at Atlantic were Keter. They produce plastic stuff - garden sheds and plastic containers.

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