Court Report from Mayo

by Undecided Sun Mar 07, 2010 01:01

In response to the comment by Realist:

There may not be any country with a perfect legal system, including our own. However that is not to say that we should not strive to make our system less imperfect.

Of course there have always been ´good laws´ and ´bad laws´. Some laws exist to protect people, others property, and yet others legitimate business interests. In a civilized society however, civilized people adhere to ´good laws´ and question ´bad laws´. In essence, the capacity of people to do so without fear is really a measure of a society´s level of civilization.

I do not see the relevance of a person ´whining` about court proceedings in this regard. Of course prosecutions were foreseeable on the part of those who chose their actions. And there is a right to comment on the wrongfulness of prosecution. But I have witnessed a general loss of confidence in a District Court system that is perceptibly losing credibility in its locality.

Regarding the Corrib Gas controversy I may be undecided. However, I do salute those people who presented themselves before the Courts. They, in my opinion, are taking part in society, and possibly in good faith striving to make our system less imperfect.

I wonder, Realist, if you found yourself in a less perfect country, and compelled to disobey a blatantly unjust law (let´s say, one that makes criminal free speech) would you simply accept that you do not live in Moore´s utopia and silently march to jail? Might you not oppose that unjust law and seek to inform others of the illegitimacy of that law?

Your comment below:

It is quite clear that all persons who were in court this week were at all times aware of the possibility of custodial sentences as a result of breaching the criminal law of the land. It is not sufficient to go to court and proffer an excuse of either ignorance of the law or that of a greater good and expect leniency.

There is no country with perfect laws and living conditions unless More's Utopia exists and is a secret so until there is we have to make do with what laws and practices we have. The laws are there to protect people and it is the job of the police to enforce them. By and large we all try to observe the laws and steer free of trouble and we frown somewhat on transgressors. This is what happens in civilized society and I for one am happy to be a part of it even though it is far from perfect. So I say to the people whining about the consequences of court proceedings that you have a choice either join in society and play by the rules of the day or else live with the consequences and accept them without pointing blame towards anybody ( unfortunately for the S2S supporteds they cant blame Mary Devins for this one )

by Charlie Fri Feb 26, 2010 04:51

just asking the minister by email: "Honestly Eamon, how much is Shell (Topaz) paying you for selling out Corrib Gas belonging to the Irish people?"

by Living in Rossport Fri Feb 19, 2010 02:41

We're with you Pat...

http://livinginrossport.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/were-w...-pat/

by Maura Harrington - S2S; Davitt League Thu Feb 18, 2010 00:05

from an old Clareman:

'Cromwell had the law on his side but that did not make his actions just'

by the realist Wed Feb 17, 2010 22:43

It is quite clear that all persons who were in court this week were at all times aware of the possibility of custodial sentences as a result of breaching the criminal law of the land. It is not sufficient to go to court and proffer an excuse of either ignorance of the law or that of a greater good and expect leniency.

There is no country with perfect laws and living conditions unless More's Utopia exists and is a secret so until there is we have to make do with what laws and practices we have. The laws are there to protect people and it is the job of the police to enforce them. By and large we all try to observe the laws and steer free of trouble and we frown somewhat on transgressors. This is what happens in civilized society and I for one am happy to be a part of it even though it is far from perfect. So I say to the people whining about the consequences of court proceedings that you have a choice either join in society and play by the rules of the day or else live with the consequences and accept them without pointing blame towards anybody ( unfortunately for the S2S supporteds they cant blame Mary Devins for this one )

by Justice??!! Mon Feb 15, 2010 19:53

Judge Raymond Groarkes vicious personal attack on Pat O Donnell in a Mayo court last week is a serious matter and was thoroughly reprehensible. One cannot but be reminded of the fact that judges are political appointees. The judges function should have been to decide whether or not a law or laws had been broken.

I am filled with admiration for our wonderful heroes Pat O Donnell and Maura Harrington who show utter selflessness and remarkable tenacity in continuing to resist Shells tyranny. Sadly Shell are aided and abetted in every way by our oh so corrupt politicians and our judiciary.

by Enraged - Various Mon Feb 15, 2010 18:31

A travesty of justice took place in Castlebar Court last week. Judge
Groarke disgraced himself by his outrageous attacks on Pat O
Donnell and Maura Harrington. He should immediately step down.

by NIFC - National Irish Freedom Committee Sun Feb 14, 2010 02:51

NIFC in America has produced a great amount of information in support of the entire Shell to Sea campaign, pickets, flyers, pamphlets, videos, radio appearances, artwork, and even cartoons.

There are new Shell to Sea Videos are available on the website. This is the second time NIFC activists have come to Mayo the assistance of the people directly involved in this ongoing issue in county Mayo. A few years ago a number of others videos were produced by the NIFC on location. Recently another solidarity visit was made and the result is three new videos that have been made to allow those involved, whom the mainstream media largely ignore, to get their message out.

The Corrib gas project entails exploiting a natural gas deposit off the northwest coast of Ireland. The field is located about 80 km off Erris Head in County Mayo, in water depths of 355 meters. The natural gas field, discovered in 1996, was the first reported commercial natural gas discovery in Ireland since the Kinsale Head gas field in 1973.

Video 1 features Maura Harrington, while video 2 has Willie and Mary Coduff with video 3 in the new series closing with local fisherman Pat O'Donnell. You can find these videos at www.irishfreedom.net and more info on the situation at shelltosea.org.

http://irishfreedom.net/Misc.%20news%20items/Shelltosea...n.htm

Cumann Na Saoirse Náısıúnta
National Irish Freedom Committee

by V for vendetta Sat Feb 13, 2010 14:30

Kudos to all the brave and true people in the shell to sea campaign. In the recent economic disaster and political abandonment of the poor and weak in our society on favour of bailing out the rich elites and burdening the next generations with the bill, The only thing I see that makes me proud to be Irish these days is the incorruptible and steely determined efforts of those in the shell to sea campaign in spite of the whole weight of shell, the media and the judiciary bearing down on them. Lets all help and support them in any way we can.

by Puzzled Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:17

Comments here do not cease to puzzle me. Shell to Sea is alive and well - what with 14 persons before the District Court in Belmullet and 7 persons before the Circuit Court in Castlebar all on the same days in one week and so differnt people from the area. There are Shell to Sea Weeks of Hearings a regular feature of the Court calendar and there are cases in the High Court as well. Some of the cases serve to show up the minimal content on the charge sheet. Should they be taking up expensive legal time where a caution might very well do.
The State through the judiciiary is kept in full time engagement with Shell ro Sea. No damage has so far been quantified in recent cases and the cutting of a net case had its sentence put back for a year. In Court Gardai claim up to sixty protestors at events and claim a remarkable fear of protestors before the judge - for people supposedly trained for such community scenarios - and a cavalcade of 86 cars in a local area scarcely populated. Local and national media have been fully engaged with Shell to Sea this past week and was a fair rival to the George Lee story. Other members of the community - six of them were in Leinster House with complaints of interference in the planning process were recieved by two Ministers. Others are busy on preparing submissions aganist a Forshore Licence being applied for by Shell. Surely if other people are convinced that Shell to Sea needs help, get cracking. The activists in Erris are very busy and successful as the pipe has had to be moved twice with another move pending.

by A McCabe Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:41

That puppet Judge laid it on a little too thick for anyone but Shell minions to believe. Hats off to Pat and all those who struggle to keep their community clean.

by observer Fri Feb 12, 2010 21:00

In the Paul William's film on TV3, Shell to Sea members were variously referred to as paramilitaries of all shades - IRA, INLA etc., etc., as well as being referred to as facists and supported by anarchists, eco warriors and eirigi. The number of appeals which were upheld or substantially minimised was ignored in the statemant at the end of the film. What about both sides now ?
That is the media.

Yesterday in Court even if there was not a bacaclava to be seen, they were called thugs and bullies, secret police, vigilantes...That is the Judiciary.

Yet there was one retired teacher, one fisherman, a sheep farmer and three partime other farmers all living in responsible caring situations to growing children, aged parents. neighbours and family members in need of extra help. Only one in his forties and all the others in their fifties and all with local addresses.. The Judge arrogantly remarked on their lack of sense. One does not parent, farm, fish, teach, organise and show a readiness to be as committed as George Lee in the same week without a lot of sense. It is not a lack of sense to say NO in a democracy - it is a right.

The greatest quality of a democracy is to hear the NO and its conditionalities and to resolve it as An Bord Pleanala has belatedly begun to do. Not to punish and beat and arrest. Indeed the beating had priority until the injustice of non-arrest was circulated widely in recent times. That is the Gardai.

Shell has many servants in the abuse of democracy by the State.

by . Fri Feb 12, 2010 19:15

What I think that is needed now is for everybody concered with carrying on the fight to take these setbacks in, allow some time for reflection, look at the scope for reorganising within and outside of Mayo, with the option of galvanising again all the anti-shell support, and laying the foundations for a coming together of all those forces, in a co-ordinated and diciplined way, to finally see, that with the right leadership and democratically organised resistance, that these setbacks (and that's what they are - not a defeat) can be taken on the chin and reversed. Their is still a long way to go in this fight. Vision is needed now, not negativity, finger pointing and blame gaming at the campaigners. The only 'outsiders' in this are Shell and their imported henchmen of I-RMS.

Well done to all, past and present in the continued fight.

by eco joe Fri Feb 12, 2010 18:59

Footage of Pat expressing his concerns about the threat of violence he might face before his boat was sunk, (Garda have stopped investigating)

"Am I going to meet them with balaclavas like Willie Corduff meet his attackers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmlMw9w826U

by Michael Gallagher Fri Feb 12, 2010 18:51 libertypics at yahoo dot ie

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Pat O'Donnell at a recent ShelltoSea press conference in Dublin. © Michael Gallagher 2009

by paul o toole Fri Feb 12, 2010 16:18

This small country is being hi-jacked by wealthy elitist savages who have absolutely no regard for the well being of the general public which is painfully obvious. And those who care for more than their fair share than most, and those who happen to find themselves in the path of what the Government calls 'progress' by way of hapening to live in a home which proves inconvienient to those subjucated in power and their co-orporate bosses suffer the brunt of this brute greed and ignorance.
And the cops wallow in overtime pay whilst upholding the wishes of Shell....
Proud to be Irish.....No more.....