A Clarification about Fis Nua and New Vision.

by troisc Mon Feb 07, 2011 14:37

This comment was left on an another site by one of the organisers:

They are different ...www.NewVision.ie New Vision New Vision is an alliance (NOT a registered party) of 16 candidates nationwide at last count, we have no whip system, We choose not to be a party. As long as we agree on our core principals ( See website for details). It is the core pricipals that bind us together, leaving the independents free to fight for their individual beliefs and issues. These issues will be the judge locally whether they get elected or not

and the other one is Fís Nua. A registered political Party, both have similar Ideas they just eveloved in parrallel and here we are!

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Mon Feb 07, 2011 14:52

...is getting blurred.

Ex-FF? nuFF sed.

Ex-Greens?Spray-job.

My opia(ted).

by first time voter Mon Feb 07, 2011 15:11

Well done Fis Nua, It is great to see that finally there is a new party to vote for.
Especially one that keeps environmental issues to the fore.

How many candidates are they running and what are their other policies apart from the environment?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Mon Feb 07, 2011 15:45

environmental issues should be ' to the fore'.

As a long-term hill-walker, and appreciator of the remaining shreds of ungentrified wilderness and their therapeutic necessity, I dont think the answer is to hug the trees while we export our kids. That suits the gobshites who will continue the land clearance as they Eiredisney their way up the privatised fairways and into the renovated stately homes.

My reckoning is we wont get environmental policy straight without addressing the ethical issues at the back of our mistreatment of our economically excluded.
' to the fore ' means TOP priority. I think you wont persuade the Irish(and I live in rural farming territory)to stop destroying their biological foundations until you make them understand that its their OWN survival and prosperity is the main priority.

Enlightened self-interest means putting the emphasis on the human factor, not the stag party. To be long tern sustainable, rather than emotionally satisfying, is going to require economic re-engineering first. Humans just dont act like that till the chips are down, as presently in Cairo. Till we tackle the underlying causes of ecological irresponsibility and ignorance all we'll get is the Gormley cosmetic emotional knee-jerk crews.
But feel free to persuade me otherwise..

by floating voter Mon Feb 07, 2011 15:57

Maybe you feel that the environment is grand or of no importance, but some of us want other choices and parties to vote for. I have been informed that FIS NUA are in favour of decriminalisation of hashish and other drugs and that is something that the staid old parties such as Labour and Sinn Fein will never have the courage to look at.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Mon Feb 07, 2011 16:24

Have you not noticed MY party name?

I favour legalisation and monitoring of ALL drugs, to get them out of the hands of street crims. But again, that cannot be done unless you drain out the poisonous poverty and bleak futures many drug users(and dealers) emerge from.

Again we are back to the economic structural underpinnings of our hyper-competitive and exclusionary social model of neo-feudal privelege pyramids.

We need more lateral and egalitarian policies. Labour and Sinn fein are caught in the pseudo-democratic confines of populist politics, and its too easy to be negative about their efforts so I aint going down that road. First the loony right of FG and FF nua under squeeky kleen micky martin need driving into the same crush. But labour, once again are going for the short-term power option. Great for the individual ligger, lousy for the long term interests of our people. Or of serious critical democratic advance.

But if Fis Nua looks like progress to you, go for it. Despite often thinking that those who contend that ' If voting changed anything it would be banned ' may be right, I'm not ready to go back to total external dictation, which is what results from not using what little we have. I'll vote for anyone who can answer my questions at the door. So far Labour and FG have failed. I await the next knock. If its Fis or Independent they will get a hearing. I think FF will read my credentials(dont underestimate the fuckers) from a distance, as the song has it.

by old codger - pensioner Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:52

A point that all parties including Fia nua are avoiding is that Ireland has for decades been under the the influence of a Mafia style system. The seeds have been sown in every facet of our system and will be very hard to remove. Even though Fianna Fail are not in office their appointees to state boards and institutions will still be running the show. Judges, top Gaurdai, RTE and the media Ombudsmen who are subject to veto by the minister for justice and the dpp Freedom of information have all been manipulated by a corrupt party.
MANY CRIMES INCLUDING TREASON HAVE BEEN COMMITED AND NOBODY IS PUNISHED FOR THEM .
Threfore accountability has to be top of the agenda for all political parties, because to continue with the same old policies will be meaningless.
If criminals are not punished they will continue to commit bigger and better crimes.
CORRIB GAS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF MAFIA STYLE MANIPULATION.