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No to UN Military Intervention in Lybia

category international | rights, freedoms and repression | opinion/analysis author Monday February 28, 2011 22:09author by APIC (APICONG) - Afro-Asian People's Democratic Islamic Congress Report this post to the editors

Against the background of an increasing probability of a military intervention on the part of the United States of America and, which is the more probable scenario, the United Nations, in Lybia, we wish to state in clear terms our rejection of any US, European or UN invasion.

Any such step will inevitably lead to an escalation of violence and to the emergence of an unsurveyable situation, possessing all characteristics of present-day Iraq.

The United Nations are a political instrument that cannot be separated from the imperial powers and their neo-colonial endeavours in Africa and the Middle East. As such, they are a grave threat to national sovereignty and independence, which must be opposed.

War crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed by members of the UN peace corps on Middle Eastern, as well as on African soil. The United Nations are not a neutral power. Their presence in any country in which an intervention is undertaken is designed to be indefinite, for with the United Nations comes the presence of the West's imperial powers and their stranglehold on the economy, natural resources and infrastructure of the nation. With that comes the distribution of the nation's assets among the combines and multinationals that make up the political executive of these powers. War, to them, is the ultimate way out of the crisis.

Brothers and sister, Gama'a,

Let our policies be consistent. If we want revolution, then we must be ready to pay the price for it.
It is either us who will suffer now or all succeeding generations.

No Arab patriot will call for a UN military intervention, for any such intervention would be the stab in the back of the Arab Revolution. It would strengthen Ghaddafi's position in so far as a foreign invasion would de-facto "legitimise" him. In this lies the grave danger of treason being turned into a "patriotic deed" and the nation being split and fractured within. In this lies the danger of this very nation falling apart.

Any western military presence in the guise of "peacekeeping" would perpetuate the imperialist powers' control of the Middle East's and Africa's economy, natural resources and political agenda. It would ultimately strengthen the position of the military regime in Egypt and put an end to our peoples' aspirations for revolution and national rebirth.

It is for this reason that we, in full awareness of the gravity of the situation in Lybia, must raise our voice to warn of the dangers of such a development, of the dangers of looking to the West for a solution and of calling on the West for intervention.

We are calling on the Revolutionary Youth of Lybia to intensify their resistance and accelerate the struggle for liberation of the people by the people, as a timely and comprehensive solution of the present conflict is the only way to prevent neo-colonial penetration and the resurgence of the imperial conquest of Africa and the Middle East.

We wish to maintain peaceful and beneficial relations with all nations and peoples in the world. But the precondition of such mutually fruitful relations is non-interference and respect for national sovereignty.

We cannot sacrifice our interests in order to satisfy those of others.

For unity and independence! For peace and solidarity among the peoples! Long live the Arab Revolution!

APIC (APICONG)

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author by Crazy catpublication date Wed Mar 02, 2011 16:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The first free tv station from Bengazi

http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Thu Mar 03, 2011 15:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..with such an assessment of the UN in such negative light, but I think since George senior co-opted the shreds of what independence and democratic practise the institution had, to oust Saddam from Kuwait militarily, rather than by other means, that transition has deepened, and it now seems to function as little more than a rubber stamp for an increasingly outlaw empire under the NATO brolly.

This might be of interest

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23443

..not dark yet, but its gettin there...

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Mar 06, 2011 15:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Some general background. There is a claim made about Lockerbie without much backup evidence, but then at the end he admits his own fallibility, not the norm for western commentators. The BBC reported eight SAS men arrested by the rebelling troops in eastern Libya this morning. The Foreign Office 'declined to comment'.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23481

stopnato@yahoogroups.com is also worth a squint for updates on the state of play in the great, and ongoing, 'game'.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors



http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23548

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..meets the fog of war.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23543

Tomorrow, Sat 12,

12 noon, Central Bank, Dame St. Gathering in solidarity with the Libyan people. Might clarify a few things.

Meeting and talk from Libyan and Egyptian representatives.Cassidy's Hotel, Cavendish Row, Upper O'Connell St. : 3pm to 6.30pm.

author by Civilised.publication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 13:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sadly.

The Libyan Dictator may have to be civilised by force.
(Like the Provisional IRA were civilised.)

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 14:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

When Gandhi was asked what he thought of western civilisation he said it would be a great idea.

Civilisation is not restricted to any point of the compass. To think the west has a monopoly is a savage misconception.

As for them provos, they were dormant till the paras revived them to defend Derry from British 'civilisation', as usual delivered with gunboats and bayonets. They parked the guns when the gerrymandering was decommissioned. MI 5/6 haven't gone away yet. When the 'west' disposes of its nuclear arsenals and stops supporting and arming thugs it might have some claim to moral authority, till then it occupies the low ground.

author by Civilised.publication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 14:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The abuse of civilian protesters by using anti aircraft guns might be a good starting as to finding out who the savage is Opus.

You don't need to be right wing American to see that Gidaffi kills peope who disagree with him.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 14:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm saying NATO will bring the same liberation to libya as they did Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. They have subverted and dismissed the UN and international law to appoint themselves as the 'international community/coalition of the willing, and the agenda is the corporate extraction of oil and other resources.

Gaza is a microcosm of their program. No sign of them getting worked up about Cast Lead ops. Their morality is reserved for their neo-colonial interests. Guantanamo is still running, the drones take out civilians night and day, by remote control. Nice clean hands.

author by Techhie.publication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 14:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Gidaffi follows his soulmates in Nazi germany.

Anti-Aircraft Guns carefully designed to take down a Lancaster bomber 4 miles up were found to be very handy at taking out an American tank on the ground a few miles away as well.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 15:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The mindset goes with the position, and indeed, got him his rank.

The major problem, I believe, is the pentagon takeover of washington, to promote the war industry.

Here's a map of the DARPA totalitarian dome of drones and satellite missile lockdown, on everything from oil to the corporatised and commodified seedbanks. Democratic it aint, except by label. Now thats what I call a size twelve jackboot.

NATO's world wide web
NATO's world wide web

author by American.publication date Fri Mar 11, 2011 15:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The major problem, I believe, is the pentagon takeover of washington, to promote the war industry."

C'mon Opus.

He is a nasty little middle east murderous dictator who wasn't bombed half hard enough by Ronald Reagan.

His whinging speech a few weeks ago was in the ruins of the building where the Americans tried to take him out.
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author by Ciaron - Giuseppe Conlon House, London Catholic Workerpublication date Sat Mar 12, 2011 04:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Reagan made Gaddafi look like a boy scout when it came to torture and killing.
Reagan's wholesale terror and mass killing of suspected leftists and Catholics in Central America throught the '80's leaves Gadaf in the shade
....not to mention playing nuclear chicken with the USSR, arming the Taliban, Bin Laden and the Contras...thorugh his two terms!

When theU.S. Congress put blocks to funding the pschopathic Contras the House of Saudl teppeded in to pick up the tab
The Sauds will play a similar proxy role for Obama this time around.

This maybe the Arab's wolrd 1989 in terms of the dominos falling in Eastern Europe,
but the agenda of U.S. remains the same - exhaust the forces of liberation, move in and colonise the space for Amoco, BP in the Libyan oiifields this time around (see the last couple of chapters of "Fast Food Nation" for an accessibile review for what happened to the libertarian socialist and other movements post-89, that were marginalised as Western power and money swept east).

This time around however, the U.S. is not as stong, the dollar is week, overstretched in two unpopular losing wars and China on the rise ("How do you confront your banker?" Hilary Clinton to OZ P.M. Rudd, when he tells her "You must prepare for war with China!"...thank you WikiLeaks!)

As the late great Abbie Hoffman once said
"The system will collapse under its own weight
All we have to do is to give it a few kicks
...and stay high!"

Trouble is the American Empire ...the largest and most destructive in human history... is going to come crashing down on us and the environment...two nuclear alerts in Japan as I write etc etc etc

Empires fall after over expanision, internal corruption (see Rusle Crowe in "Gadiator" starst with the post-conquest scene...it's their nature, they can't help them themselves
or we deconstruct them radically and nonviolently

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sat Mar 12, 2011 13:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Just how many collaterally damaged kids will it fucking take before ye trigger happpy butchers wake up?

Remote-controlled long-distance drones keep your hands clean?Go count the number of '..nasty little..murderous dictators ..' schooled, installed, armed, bribed, fed information on union activists for torture and assassination, and otherwise maintained by your democratic heroes are on the list.

As for 'Irishman', that label covers a multitude. As does quisling.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sat Mar 12, 2011 15:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

back at the theatre. This seems fairly plausible, as an outline of what the msm are forgetting to mention.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23605

author by Irishmanpublication date Sat Mar 12, 2011 22:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Oh, I seem to have got someone ratlled and my post deleted. Like the majority of my countrymen I would like to see an end to Gadaffi - THE cause of the collateral damage to children! (and adults in Lockerbie) - Quisling I am not - just a normal auld culchie who disagrees with your egotistical lectures!

author by The Shadowpublication date Sun Mar 13, 2011 01:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

We would be glad not to have to intervene in Ghadaffy ducks killspree of his own people using Nigerian and Russian mercenaries [in the true sense of the vword].Un fortunatly everyone is now bitching and moaning down in libya why the great Satan in the White house hasnt got an immediate no fly zone up to protect the rebels???
Dammed if you stay out,dammed if you intervene.
Best thing for the US ,stay out let the Brits and French and Italians carry their weight for once.After all they have been flogging Ghadaffy duck all his latest hardware anyway.
BTW where is Tony Blair and the wide mouth frog [aka Cherie] these days.Been jolly quiet since the middle east went tits up.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

well apologies if it rings like an egotistical lecture. Not the approach I would be looking for.
That said, I'd shed no tears at Gadaffy's exit. But I dont think operation Iraq II will sort it out.

Bush destroyed whatever credibility the US had for positive input in the region; and Obama seems to be trying the same unilateral approach, with mumbles for consensual support from the UN, which basically amounts to assent that Uncle Sam knows best. Lotsa calls for democracy, little recognition that its practise requires listening before prescribing.

My case, unegotistical as I can make it, is that if the US wants to make a contribution, then there are longer festering sores in the regiion, not least Gaza and the West bank(where settlements continue to expand), where they might demonstrate something other than cynical corporate, oil-hungry, self-interest. Or they could raise their profile regarding those sacred democratic rights in the likes of Saudi and their other clients. Till then I'm slightly stuck in cynical mode. If the 'west' goes in it will strenghten Gadaffy, or the next dictator selected for favour a la Chevron and amigos.

Washington needs to get serious about developing international democratic practise, rather than using rhetorical flourishes to mask its neo-colonial ambitions to instal its Project for a New American Century.
Bush&Co have indicated where that recipe leads.
We all fuck up. The mark of progress is the ability to learn from our mistakes and not go totally recidivist.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Mar 16, 2011 14:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Never too far away. Meantime Madam IT has a gung-ho editorial today lauding the moral cause of intervention in Libya. No mention of the assorted royals strewn round the region in her polemical and plucky defence of demokratic valyoos; or the Saudi support for Bahrain's incumbent.
Maybe she's lining up a little number with Fox for the post-retirement twilight.

Meantime this may be of interest.

http://www.globalnetwork.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23542

Keep them grains of salt handy.

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