Bin Laden Death Photo (Update)

by Damien M - PharmaWatch Mon May 23, 2011 22:47

Gerald,
while not latching onto any conspiracy theories here,several things strike me as a bit odd; that this successful operation occurred the same time as an apparently bogey looking birth cert was produced, a 6 foot 3 inch guy could walk around the middle east unnoticed for 10 years, and why nobody decided to check that damn compound!
I'm going with the fact that Osama was seriously ill, gaunt and looking the worse for wear nearly a decade ago. You mentioned home dialysis machines? Are these vital pieces of equipment safe? I'd nearly put my house on poor Osama being given a faulty Baxter dialyser- these same pieces of equipment resulted in the deaths of dozens of other kidney dialysis patients in or around the same time...or maybe he needed some lifesaving plasma...

by T Mon May 23, 2011 22:07

This interview from Guns and Better, uploaded here and which was aired recently on the GunsAndButter program on KPFA on May 11th was a re-run of an interview done with David Ray Griffen back in 2009 discussing on whether Bin Laden was dead or alive at that time.

If you listen to the interview you can be in no doubt that he has been dead since the Dec 2001. In this interview Giffin comprehensively covers the evidence particulary previous mainstream media coverage saying he was dead then how this went quite. In the early years we know Bin Laden was suffering from renal failure and had a stroke, yet in later years he apparently looks younger and healthier and the content of his speeches completely changes and begins to suit the propaganda agenda of US.

I would highly recommend listen to this podcast to hear the case.

Interview with David Griffin on Bin Laden in 2009 -Dead or Alive -most definitely dead
Interview with David Griffin on Bin Laden in 2009 -Dead or Alive -most definitely dead 10.17 Mb

by Declan Cullen - None Wed May 18, 2011 15:10

Hi everyone.

I have discovered the image that was used to make the top half of the fake Bin Laden death photo. I would like you comments on the montage.

Bin Laden Fake Death Photo Montage (Upper Section Source)

by Gerald Wed May 11, 2011 08:53

You did it. You broke me. I was so blind.

How could I not see that it is in fact a database on a computer that killed so many people. Goddamn, it seems even more human than arnie in the Terminator. Skynet watch your back! It even fabricated an extensive and thorough wikipedia page for itself. Chilling.

Dialysis. Yes so complicated and high tech that common grubbers couldnt live without going to state of the art medical facilities every day. Except they do. Peritoneal dialysis is done by thousands every day by people alone in their house.

"I'm not saying he isn't dead. I think he's been dead for years"
Wow. Mel, your ability to maintain your high level of intelectual capacity makes me feel small and helpless. Somehow i'm missing something about how Osama dying years ago doesnt provide easily disprovable evidence that he died recently, and thus unravel a tangle of lies. My mind feels so clouded and inadequate.

"so its not fact that unrelated facts years ago make unrelated facts today? so that means you are saying that unrelated facts from years ago make RELATED facts today?"
FWOOSH! That was the sound of your F-16 fighter jet of knowledge zooming over my head. Somehow you can logic your way into alternative interpretations of simple statemtents not discernable to us common folk. Maybe with your high-falutin college education they taught you that the statement "Unrelated facts from years ago make unrelated fact today" has multiple negatives in it, but for all my poor brain can muster up, I see no negatives here at all. But thats probably just my sloppy thinking.

Oh and I googled some stuff so it would make me sound clever and such, and apparently Bhutto was saying all around that time that blah blah blah, Osama still alive, no one knows where he is blah blah.

"If the Taliban are eliminated, or if their poster-boy Osama bin Laden is caught" - Benazir Bhutto June 9, 2007
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/The_United_Sta...g_not...

"If there is overwhelming evidence, I would hope that I would be able to take Osama bin Laden myself without depending on the Americans," Bhutto last week during the taping. "But if I couldn't do it, of course we are fighting this war together and would seek their cooperation in eliminating him."
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/10/...ake_u...

August 9 2007, Finance Wire, NBC

BHUTTO: Bin laden has evaded capture because the pursuit has not been hard enough. We have to have pursuit of al Qaeda, tall pan, consistently and persistently and not only when there`s pressure on us.

September 19 2007, National Public Radio

Ms. BHUTTO: I think the people who are hiding Osama bin Laden are dead scared of democracy. They're frightened that now President Bush and the United States and the world community is calling for elections, they're doing that best to find some pretext by which they can get the elections postponed, because the people who are hiding Osama bin Laden know it would be very difficult for them to do that if democracy brings the Pakistan People's Party back to government under my leadership.

Benazir Bhutto on CNN Nov 3, 2007:

WHITFIELD: So, Ms. Bhutto, am I hearing you correctly in saying that you almost directly blame General Pervez Musharraf for helping to produce these safe havens in Pakistan, where there is terrorist activity, where, perhaps, in these safe havens someone like the Osama bin Laden, the most-wanted terrorist in the world, just might be taking refuge?

BHUTTO: I wouldn't like to go so far as to blame General Musharraf directly, but I would certainly say that many people in his administration and his security apparatus responsible for internal security make me feel very uneasy. And I believe that tribal areas of Pakistan could not have become safe havens without collusion of some of the elements in the present administration. And this is why I believe that regime change is very important.

BHUTTO: I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is, but I do feel that people around him are many who are associated with the earlier military dictatorship of the '80s. .
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/03/cnr.06.html

by MelGibson Wed May 11, 2011 00:36

"Al-Qaeda hates America: FACT"

Al Quaeda is just the name the CIA gave to a database file. A database file cannot hate anything [FACT]

"Al-Qaeda says that he was killed by America: FACT"

an inanimate database cannot comment on current events [FACT]

"Bhutto is right all the time about everything: NOT FACT"

Gerald is right all the time about everything and knows more about actors in Pakistani political ecosystem than Bhutto : NOT FACT EITHER

"America helped Afghansitan against Russians: FACT"

Not really. America USED Afghanistan tribesmen as fodder to drain russian resources and hold them in a quagmire war to serve their own geopolitical interests

"America now hates those dudes: FACT"

You mean the people of Afghanistan? Yes, America definitely must hate them all right since they bombed their country into rubble and killed loads of people unnecessarily, yet only about 100 actual terrorists in the whole country according to estimates [FACT]

"Kidney dialysis means death: NOT FACT"

no but kidney failure usually does mean certain death without a transplant. Not easy to perform such a complex operation in the caves of Bora Bora

"Fake death would be easily disprovable: FACT"

I'm not saying he isn't dead. I think he's been dead for years

"Sensible person would believe Osama dies years ago: NOT FACT"

that statement means nothing. Just a subjective unsubstantiated opinion based on what the media said to you. Media also published these fake photos

"Unrelated facts from years ago make unrelated fact today: NOT FACT"

erm... so its not fact that unrelated facts years ago make unrelated facts today? so that means you are saying that unrelated facts from years ago make RELATED facts today? Thats also NOT FACT. Trying to be clever then falling over your own multiple negatives makes you seem like a sloppy thinker Gerald

"T's version is possible: FACT"

Horray! we actually agree on something

"T's version is minutely realistic: NOT FACT"

again unsubstantiated, just your own inflated subjective opinion for which you have not supplied even a sliver of proof just your "opinion" based on what the US president, a man who lies for a living, told you.

"Mel Gibson is troll: p < 0.00005 SCIENCE FACT"

No. Mel gibson is an australian actor.

By my estimate almost everything you have said in your last post is NOT FACT Gerald. And you show a great Naivete as to how the world works.

by Gerald Tue May 10, 2011 21:43

Al-Qaeda hates America: FACT
Al-Qaeda says that he was killed by America: FACT
Bhutto is right all the time about everything: NOT FACT
America helped Afghansitan against Russians: FACT
America now hates those dudes: FACT
Kidney dialysis means death: NOT FACT
Fake death would be easily disprovable: FACT
Sensible person would believe Osama dies years ago: NOT FACT
Unrelated facts from years ago make unrelated fact today: NOT FACT
T's version is possible: FACT
T's version is minutely realistic: NOT FACT
Mel Gibson is troll: p < 0.00005 SCIENCE FACT

by MelGibson Tue May 10, 2011 18:46

"Wow. Consider myself humbled. Your ability to insightfully infer from tenous evidence has changed my perspective on this whole affair completely. You must be absoutely correct. I see it now, Osama, al Qaeda, Pakistan, Hamas, everyone was just trying their hardest to keep Obama in power. Why is there no pictures of his maimed corpse? Why arent his wife and kids giving TV interviews with passports and DNA checks? Why arent they sending tissue samples to every country and news company to prove that the 'body' was really Osama?
Better watch my back since I know the TRUTH now. "

Funny!

But where in that entire sarcastic rant is there a whit of hard evidence that proves your case that everything obama said was true??

you're just using cheap ad hominem rhetoric here which is hardly better than anything that you say I did.

In fact at least I backed my words up with some concrete facts. Nothing tenuous about any of them they are well known FACTS

(1) As evidence of OBL's seriously poor health, I referred to an easily verifiable meeting between CIA personnel and Bin Laden while he was in hospital prior to 9/11 getting kidney dialysis (google it!!) [FACT1]

(2) As evidence that OBL may have been working all along with the CIA, I noted that the CIA and OBL worked together on the russian campaign when they were the good guys and were called the mujahadeen (see rambo III for further details!!! ;-) [FACT2]
(also exactly why were the CIA visiting OBL in hospital before 9/11 anyway?? And why were the Bin Ladens the only people flying in US airspace on sept 12??

(3) As evidence that important and serious people in power, in the loop and on the ground in Pakistan believed he had been killed years ago, I linked to a well known video of Benazir Bhutto, hardly known for being a joker, saying on a high profile serious live tv interview (david frost) that omar sheikh killed osama bin laden and the clip also shows how the BBC subsequently cut out that piece from the interview. [FACT3]

You offered no such facts to back up your opinion. Just sarcasm. Which, whilst mildly humourous, is not considered a form of proof,but merely heckling

When you stop the sarcastic rhetoric and back up your opinion with some real evidence, then I'll take you more seriously.
Meanwhile, I think T's version is entirely possible.

by Gerald Tue May 10, 2011 15:47

Wow. Consider myself humbled. Your ability to insightfully infer from tenous evidence has changed my perspective on this whole affair completely. You must be absoutely correct. I see it now, Osama, al Qaeda, Pakistan, Hamas, everyone was just trying their hardest to keep Obama in power.

Why is there no pictures of his maimed corpse? Why arent his wife and kids giving TV interviews with passports and DNA checks? Why arent they sending tissue samples to every country and news company to prove that the 'body' was really Osama?

Better watch my back since I know the TRUTH now.

by MelGibson Tue May 10, 2011 15:19

"Osamas wife and children are in on the conspiracy by colluding with the lie that Americans killed their husband/father?"

Has anyone actually seen them? were they interviewed on tv?

One thing's for sure here, Osama certainly served the interests of american imperialism well with the "war on terror". You can't deny that!!

There are blatant interactions between bin laden and the CIA on record, including that meeting in a dubai hospital when OBL was getting kidney dialysis. They worked together in the russian campaign. Who is to say that they didn't continue that relationship?

Who knows what really went on here? T's explanation is as good as any and there is circumstantial evidence to give it creedence. Can you explain why the BBC felt the need to edit the Bhutto video the way they did?? That was VERY fishy

see the video here. The interesting bit that was edited is at 5:00
https://www.indymedia.ie/article/99682

by Gerald Tue May 10, 2011 13:46

T, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here for conspiracy theories. So in your line of thinking;

1. Osamas wife and children are in on the conspiracy by colluding with the lie that Americans killed their husband/father?
2. Al-Qaeda also is toeing the line of the American propoganda machine and supporting their assertations
3. Whoever knows where Osama died from kidney failure so many years ago are also in on the con, by neglecting to say where he is buried so they can prove he died years ago and thus exposing the propoganda machine.
4. The videos released of Osama are CG/imposters
5. Republicans who are taking a massive rating hit due to Obamas success are staying mum on this
6. The offhand remark of a dead woman who gave no further details nor can expand on that remark supercedes any other evidence

You sir, are obviously the master of logic and reason. My hat goes off to you.

by T Tue May 10, 2011 09:25

The present propaganda offensive on Bin Laden is just that. It is designed to pluck something from what is the disaster Afghanistan, give Obama a boost and most importantly to prepare the groundwork for an escalation of war in Pakistan and possibly to Balkanize the region.

Already we see the blame game that the Pakinstani government knew about his whereabouts. In other words: Attention Americans, Pakistan is the new enemy, hate them.

Back in late 2001 apparently Bin Laden was on dialysis. If you have this you must have access to an excellent source of regular clean water for the dialysis machine. Also somebody on dialysis would be very ill and tired much of the time.

In this Pravada report in 2008 it says: Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden’s killer before her death.

The article goes on to say:

Benazir Bhutto, who was killed in a suicide attack at the end of 2007 stated in November that the Osama bin Laden, the head of the international terrorist network al-Qaida, had been killed. Bhutto claimed that she even knew the man who had killed the prime suspect of 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA. According to Bhutto’s words, Bin Laden was killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh – one of those convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl.

Bhutto released that statement on November 2, 2007 in an interview with Al-Jazeera TV channel. Bhutto spoke in English in the program titled Frost Over the World. However, no one paid any attention to her words. Speaking about the enemies, who did not wish to see her back in Pakistan, she said: “Omar Sheikh is the man who murdered Osama bin Laden.”

The video of Bhutto’s interview to Al-Jazeera can be found on YouTube (click to watch the video). The assassinated Pakistani prime minister says the words about Bin Laden’s killer during the second minute of the interview. She stays absolutely calm when she pronounces the names. More than 600,000 people have already viewed the video.

Correspondent David Frost, who interviewed Bhutto, did not even care to ask more questions about the sensational statement. Frost, who is believed to be an experienced journalist, did not even ask Bhutto when Bin Laden was killed.

Benazir Bhutto’s interview to Al-Jazeera received very little attention from the media. There was practically no newspaper in the world who published the news on its front page, although tens of thousands of people discussed the news for two months. It just so happens that even Al-Jazeera messed it up.

There was no official who commented on the information. Not a word was said from the CIA and the FBI. They did not even lift a finger to reject it. Absolute silence. But the U.S. administration promised a reward of 25 million dollars for Bin Laden’s body, dead or alive.

Benazir Bhutto is now dead. She cannot say anything about her sources of information.

by Tom Tue May 10, 2011 06:22

Well V, you know your statistics about Pol Pot. I didn't like the posted cartoon because it reminded me of photos of the unearthed skulls from PP's killing fields. Adding Osama Bin Laden's skull to what appears to be holocaust skulls makes OBL another victim of the Iraq-Afghani holocaust. He wasn't a victim, he was an organzer of mass killings using suicide bombers in trucks and planes as weapons. Most of the people killed by suicide bombers on crowded streets, in squares and outside mosques in Afghanistan and Iraq have been noncombatant passersby.

by V for vendetta Mon May 09, 2011 14:53

These skulls were only generated in Iraq and afghanistan, i.e. the supposed hunt for bin laden. (ha!)

Thats what this thread is about

Stop trying to muddy the waters

However if you want to bring up Pol Pot then by all means start your own thread about that. Its an interesting, often quoted and horrific part of history that people should understand better and never forget. Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_pot

Don't neglect to mention Kissinger and US foreign policy meddling in the 70's which helped to keep the Khymer Rouge in power, or the US bombings that killed 100,000. (and while you are at it, subtract that figure from the 1.7 million BTW)

Actually mentioning a scumbag dictator like Pol Pot in this conversation may have been a rather poor tactical error on your US apologist part. Mainly because it gives me, the US hating pinko the opportunity to point out that the death toll due to Pol Pot, truly one of the nastiest leaders in history, in his killing fields as computed by reliable sources such as Amnesty international and the Yale Cambodian Genocide Project who would put the number between 1.4 million and 1.7 million, which makes it, according to some reports, comparable to the number who have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan to date in the US drive to bring democracy and peace to the middle east, if you count gulf war I, the ensuing sanctions, and gulf war II and afghanistan to date.

Much of a muchness really when it comes down to it. The methods and propaganda dffer but the numbers of dead people remain comparable.

Choose your own warlike corporate fascist or stalinist regime. The results are the same. Lots of pointless deaths. And a big pile of skulls

by Tom Mon May 09, 2011 04:00

Right. Can you identify Pol Pot's skull in the pile?

by MelGibson Sun May 08, 2011 17:57

this sums it up

by MelGibson Sun May 08, 2011 16:06

He's dead all right

Its just WHEN he died that's at issue

He was sick and in need of dialysis in 2001 when visited in hospital by CIA personnel

Many, including the late Benazir Bhutto say he was killed long before 2011

Hence the problems with producing the body / evidence

by Diarmuid Breatnach - Personal Capacity Sun May 08, 2011 15:46

-- wouldn't it? All Bin Laden and associates would have to do would be to wait a few days and then release video of him holding a newspaper and talking, completely undermining the "greatly exaggerated reports of his death" and discrediting the US state.
So it seems he really is dead, although of course the circumstances of his death may be open for discussion.

by Niall of the Nine Notches Fri May 06, 2011 04:48

It's hard to get pictures of something that never happened.

Khalid bin Laden. Unarmed. Genuine S.O.C. pic.

A fake they condidered releasing

Wreckage. Modified HH-60 Pave Hawk? Genuine

Another fake they considered releasing

Salute to the Flag!

by 0ona Fri May 06, 2011 03:36 oona32 at gmail dot com

The day I heard the news, I asked Google: Is the US lying about bin Laden, and it gave me this link:

http://www.americanussr.com/american-ussr-osama-bin-lad...n.htm

As you can see, the photo, which you have flipped over, was already on an old website from last year.
It clearly looks photoshopped. I would not put much stock in it, but that's just me.