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Thursday June 21 2007

PUBLIC MEETING: Greens betray environment; Planet Before Profit

category limerick | environment | event notice author Saturday June 16, 2007 23:43author by Limerick Socialist Youth & Party - SP & SYauthor email info at socialistparty dot netauthor address Limerick Report this post to the editors

ALL WELCOME

Greens Betray the Environment:
PLANET BEFORE PROFIT!

7:30 Thursday, June 21st
Riddlers Bar (backroom), Sarsfield St.

All welcome
Public Meeting 7:30 Thursday, Riddlers Bar
Public Meeting 7:30 Thursday, Riddlers Bar

Hee is the text of an old leaflet too:

Planet Before Profit

“The science on global warming is now incontrovertible: the climate is changing, man is helping to make that happen, and the damage could be irreversible.”
-The Financial Times
Al Gore’s film, “An Inconvenient Truth” and other recent studies have proven the need for immediate action to stop climate change.

The 30% increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has resulted in a sharp rise in temperature and a doubling in the number of hurricanes. Most scientists and evidence now agree that if a “business as usual” approach is maintained the earth is a ‘planet under threat’.

Projected temperature rises would melt the polar ice caps, raising sea levels, resulting in widespread flooding. Limerick will be permanently flooded in 50 years, according to the Enviromental Protection Agency.

And yet the governments of the world are still refusing to act. Many politicians have recently paid lip service to the issue but are unwilling to invest in renewable energy or to take on big business polluters.

The failed Kyoto agreement is proof of this. The deal was so watered down, under pressure from big business, that scientists estimate 30 ‘Kyotos’ are needed. Even this deal was postponed from 1992, when the first conference took place, to 2005 when it became enforcable. Still it was rejected by US big business as “too harmful to profits”.

The problem is the rule of big business. Their thirst for profit is why Kyoto failed. A global plan of action is needed to put the needs of the people and the planet before the profits of this super rich elite. This will mean taking on the power of the energy multinationals. Energy production and public transport must be rationally and democratically organised by ordinary people not by ‘the market’ and big business.

By directing the worlds resources into renewable energy and public transport, climate change could be stopped in its tracks!

Related Link: http://www.SocialistParty.net
author by elisapublication date Sun Jun 17, 2007 21:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

'Limerick will be permanently flooded in 50 years'

Im sure some people see this as a good thing :) .
Stand on Saturday in Limerick?

author by Rev Malcolm Ex - church of Marxpublication date Mon Jun 18, 2007 13:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Beverley Coopeer Flynn, known as Pamela Ewing, by Sunday Tribune. to be bought back to the lions den. her father is facing the tribunal. this is the man who dismissed the political reality of people who experience living in poverty. telling us that we had to tighten our belts. Finian Mc Grath independent TD support. along with Trevor Sargent who opposed the Greens going into government, resigns from the leader-ship. will then become junior minister is breath taking which I don't understand we are now told that the editor of the Irish times, who is ex pd that certain people want her head on the block. because of the stand which she took in the elections, which was anti gov. remember this same person sacked Harry Browne from the paper. because of his anti war political articles

ps tell Pamela to hand back cheques. that the days of moving chequesfrom bank to bank for tax evaders is over.

author by Limerick Socialist Youth & Party - Socialist Partypublication date Mon Jun 18, 2007 15:32author email info at socialistparty dot netauthor address Limerickauthor phone Report this post to the editors

Hi, the title above was one of the provisional titles, i put up the wrong file, the actual title is
"Greens Support F.F. & Capitalism-
PLANET MUST COME BEFORE PROFIT!"

ACTUAL POSTER (this is the correct title)
ACTUAL POSTER (this is the correct title)

Related Link: http://www.SocialistParty.net
author by pat cpublication date Mon Jun 18, 2007 17:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I have to admit I preffered the first title!

Is Socialism possible on one Planet? A question we will all have to address if intelligent life is discovered elsewhere in the Universe. Lets build the First Intergalactic!

Good luck with the meeting.

author by johnnypublication date Mon Jun 18, 2007 21:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

rather than waiting around expectantly, as all left ideologues do, for the economy to collapse so they might get support.

ideologues never compromise, that's why the gulags and the death camps were established.....

they don't act out of reason, but out of knowledge, divinely given them, by their holy books, marx et all, their ideology.

at least that's how it seems to me,
but then, again, i could be wrong,

author by ISNerpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 13:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm not keen on either subtitle - for the same reason I don't fancy the moniker 'People Before Profit'. 'Before' implies that profit is actually okay as long as it's relegated to second place. Should socialists be endorsing the notion of profits at all? My vote is against.

Btw, I'm guessing, but I reckon the subtitle was changed when somebody in HQ spotted the similarity with the SWP's 'People Before Profit' slogan. G'wan, you can tell us!

author by pat cpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 14:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

How about: People Before Surplus Value?

Surlus Value won't go away after the establishment of Socialism, call it something else if you will, but it'll still be there. The Surplus Value created by an individual under Socialism would go to the people as a whole (hopefully)

author by ISNerpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 14:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

but gis some time to think about it. :)

author by Bikerpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 14:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Jokes aside, I think the term "People before Profit" goes back a long way. I remember the Labour Party used it as their slogan in the 1987 general election and look where they are now. I agree with ISNer and say that profit is a form of theft.

author by Cian - Limerick SY & SPpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 15:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Theres alwys the most debate about things like titles and names etc... Always funny.

I must say, I prefer the second title. The reason it was chosen ahead of the other one (and before other options such as green capitalism - a contradiction in terms? etc) was that it was felt the first one was overly about the greens and the meeting is meant to be more about the general point that inorder to stop climate change we must stop capitalism and we wanted to use the stuff over the greens to give a new angle to this.

'Must come' was put in to emphasise that we are counterposing the planet coming before profit to the way it is now.

Interesting point by the ISNer. Previously Planet Not Profit was used. Better? Anyway, when your getting into that stuff its really all semantics. I don't think it would make much of a difference to what people took from ths slogan if it was Planet not profit instead of before.

Anyway, regardless of the title: Come to the meeting!

The new stuff now with the greens wanting to 'discuss' the option of nuclear power adds extra relevance.

Related Link: http://www.SocialistParty.net
author by Cian - SP & SYpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 15:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

No swp in limerick too, so 'before profit' doesn't have that connotation. But it is still limited in its usefulness, as its not the strognest slogan, but good none-the-less.

author by gpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 16:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Just as a point of information- why do you never use the Iirish language in your printed material? I seem to remeber Joe Higgins speaking Irish, but generally the SP seem to wish to steer clear of it completely.

Why is this?

author by Jolly Red Giant - Socialist Party/CWIpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 16:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Like most of the rest of the population, there are few fluent Irish speakers in the SP. Where possible and feasible we attempt to incorporate it into our activity. For example, election material printed in Irish was used in Dublin West in the recent election. Unfortunately, it is not the first thing that comes to mind when organising activities (our fault).

author by Cianpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 16:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I would think another reason is that, for instance, in limerick there is not too few fluent irish speakrs, let alone those who can only understand irish to warrant doing posters in irish. More pressing is doing things in polish etc.

I also personally think using irish for the sake of it in political material can smell of republicanism and nationalism. Thats just my opinion though, not the party's. Also, there is a the fact many young people (like myself) resent irish being compulsary.

author by Dubpublication date Tue Jun 19, 2007 17:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Jolly Red Giant" should not be apologising for not using a particular language. The reality is that the vast majority of the Irish population speak English. Why should Irish be used unless you are in a Gaeltacht area or active among Irish speakers or a significant minority of Irish speakers. Language should be about communicating your ideas. Why should Irish, English, etc. have political loadings attached?

Joe Higgins is a native irish speaker and it is natural that he would use Irish when addressing questions to the Minister for the Gaeltacht. I'd imagine Joe Higgins got a lot of queries and "constituency work" from Gaeltacht areas as he was one of few native speaking TDs.

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