Bin Laden victory statement

by Sceptic Tue Nov 27, 2007 20:51

Don't be deceived by Saddam invoking the blessings of Allah for his wars - a protective gloss of Islamic colouring for a Baathist tyrant like him or Assad does not an Islamist regime make. The same is true of Egypt which is still the nationalist Nasserite regime at odds with the forces of Islamism there. Saddam was a latter day pious Muslim only when he saw that was the way the wind was blowing.

by Frank Miller Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:10

"The governments of Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc are already Islamic."

All governments in the Middle East are Islamic. Saddam Hussein, a supposed secularlist invoked the blessings of Allah on his conquests. There are many different interpretations of Islam.
What the extremists Islamist movements seek is a return to a purer form of Islam, the Islam that existed at the time of the Prophet.
They believe that the Islam that exists at the moment is false and that devout Muslims who do not share their ideological purity are not true Muslims at all and should be slaughtered along with all other infidels or unbelievers like me and you.
You might roll your eyes and scoff. But these people really believe that Allah guides their actions and that they will triumph over the entire world and impose their beliefs on the human race.
Obviously they will not succeed but before they are ultimately defeated they may well succeed in provoking another global war that will cost millions of lives - hundreds of thousands have already died.

We might smugly believe that neo-conservative humiliation in Iraq is good - in the short term certainly - but these barbarian savages are enemies of the progressive movement and left wing politics even more than they hate the right wing US.

by Sceptic Mon Nov 26, 2007 21:04

The regimes in Syria, Egypt, and Jordan are secular by the standards of the region not Islamic and largely so in Kuwait. Syria is a Baathist dictatorship which has a history of bloody in repression against the Muslim Brotherhood so you could not be more wrong on that one. (see link)

And presumably you mean “complement” not “compliment”.

by Malcolm X Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:44

You got it wrong Frank.

The governments of Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc are already Islamic. In Syria and Saudis case radically so.

Iraq becoming as Islamic state will merely compliment Saudi and Syria, not radicalise them.

by Frank Miller Mon Nov 26, 2007 09:41

Are you out of your mind?
Do you think that a victory for Islamic fundementalist lunatics in Iraq is something to celebrate?
The misguided American war in Iraq has transformed it into a training ground for the global jihadist movement and these jihadists will use Iraq as a base following the imminent US withdrawl to attack Europe. thousands of Muslim men in communities across the continent have become radicalised and they will employ the same tactics used in Iraq against European societies they consider infidels.
When Iraq becomes an extremist Islamic state we will see the governments of Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, Libya, Pakistan and other Muslim nations in the Middle East collapse as Islamist will seize power. We will witness hellish sectarians wars between Shia and Sunnis and between Muslim communities in Europe who will also be at the recieving end of a backlash led by European nationalists, secularists and Christian religious groups.

by - Sun Nov 25, 2007 17:49

A catch all phraseology for everything that is not 'Jewish' or 'RC' or "Western', and within those perameters how do we define ourselves?

Are we defined so simply by adherences to majority faiths- I am not. The major faiths
or their political leaders do not speak religion but power and politics. Its usage of
spiritual tenets to facilitate abuse- for profit. This is what happens when those who seek to
lead do so for profit and war, they ally truths to Materialistic gain or in Jame's words:
'It is too soon to be closing our account with reality'- those who seek to name their gods
do so to define others realities and fail everytime. look at their failures, abuse, war,
eco devastation and destruction. Typical shite by men in dresses.